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pizzahut451 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
monsterone said:

...so if we were to adjust sales for comparable time on the market, which console has sold more? I have been wondering this for a while. seems odd that I havent scene this on the forums before. any info would be great.

And...?

PS1 easily outsold Saturn and it was released later. That is irrelevant because the PS1-Saturn gap was 80 Million. It wouldnt make ANY diffrence if Saturn launched 3 years before PS1, the result would have been the same, PS1 would be still ahead. Now, if PS3 and Xbox would launch at the same time, PS3 would be easly aheaad, because if you count the PS3's sales from Nov 2006, PS3 sold 1.5 million more consoles than Xbox 360 worldwide.

PS2 easily outsold Dreamcast and it was released later.This is even more irrelevant since PS2-Dreamcast gap is 140 Million . Not to mention Dreamcast died after year or two after launch.

PS3 isn't outselling anything and is the biggest financial failure in gaming history. Lets stop being so worried about Xbox 360 and focus on that.Biggest financial failure its not, original Xbox lost about 6 billion, CD-i was also disaster and of course Dreamcast, i wont even compare software sales with these consoles. PS3 outsold Xbox in both 2010 and 2009 by quite the large margin, the sales in this time of year can be erased with 1 won week in holiday sales. In 2009, Xbox was outselling PS3 for every week in 2009 till September, where PS3 erased the gap in 4 weeks. These sales in thse part of year really dont mean much,



Past Sony console outsold the competition easily. Its so petty to see PS3 fans looking at timelines so PS3 appears to be more successful. I'm just stressing how poor the brand is doing.

As mentioned, it was closer to $4 billion Xbox lost. Sony's gaming division lost like $5 billion since launching PS3. Hence, PS3 lost far more than $5 billion because its been losing profits made by PS2 and PSP as well.

The other machines you mentioned, I don't know how much they lost but I'm sure its small fraction of what MS and Sony has put into hardware.



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Mr Puggsly said:
pizzahut451 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
monsterone said:

...so if we were to adjust sales for comparable time on the market, which console has sold more? I have been wondering this for a while. seems odd that I havent scene this on the forums before. any info would be great.

And...?

PS1 easily outsold Saturn and it was released later. That is irrelevant because the PS1-Saturn gap was 80 Million. It wouldnt make ANY diffrence if Saturn launched 3 years before PS1, the result would have been the same, PS1 would be still ahead. Now, if PS3 and Xbox would launch at the same time, PS3 would be easly aheaad, because if you count the PS3's sales from Nov 2006, PS3 sold 1.5 million more consoles than Xbox 360 worldwide.

PS2 easily outsold Dreamcast and it was released later.This is even more irrelevant since PS2-Dreamcast gap is 140 Million . Not to mention Dreamcast died after year or two after launch.

PS3 isn't outselling anything and is the biggest financial failure in gaming history. Lets stop being so worried about Xbox 360 and focus on that.Biggest financial failure its not, original Xbox lost about 6 billion, CD-i was also disaster and of course Dreamcast, i wont even compare software sales with these consoles. PS3 outsold Xbox in both 2010 and 2009 by quite the large margin, the sales in this time of year can be erased with 1 won week in holiday sales. In 2009, Xbox was outselling PS3 for every week in 2009 till September, where PS3 erased the gap in 4 weeks. These sales in thse part of year really dont mean much,



Past Sony console outsold the competition easily. Its so petty to see PS3 fans looking at timelines so PS3 appears to be more successful. I'm just stressing how poor the brand is doing.

As mentioned, it was closer to $4 billion Xbox lost. Sony's gaming division lost like $5 billion since launching PS3. Hence, PS3 lost far more than $5 billion because its been losing profits made by PS2 and PSP as well.

The other machines you mentioned, I don't know how much they lost but I'm sure its small fraction of what MS and Sony has put into hardware.


You are just stressing how poor the brand did, not doing. Its doing very well right now. When this gen ends PS3 will most likely have profited from this gen (Sony expects it to, anyway) and that will undo the "biggest financial failure of gaming history".

Just because Federer used to be 1st, and is now under Nadal doesn't make him a loser. Just saying



Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Lol? Didn't realize being millions behind counted as winning?



mantlepiecek said:


You are just stressing how poor the brand did, not doing. Its doing very well right now. When this gen ends PS3 will most likely have profited from this gen (Sony expects it to, anyway) and that will undo the "biggest financial failure of gaming history".

Just because Federer used to be 1st, and is now under Nadal doesn't make him a loser. Just saying


Not possible.  they didn't even generate enough profit in the PS and PS2 era to cover that loss.  How are they supposed to make even more than they did in 2 highly successful generations with just 2-3 years left in the generation?



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nightsurge said:
Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Lol? Didn't realize being millions behind counted as winning?


/sigh another person who can't read. Must be going around. I give up on you people.



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Wagram said:
nightsurge said:
Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Lol? Didn't realize being millions behind counted as winning?


/sigh another person who can't read. Must be going around. I give up on you people.

Lol? The fact of the matter is that even if you want to use some lame race analogy with the 360 having a head start it is STILL in the lead overall, so no matter what, the data shows the PS3 is most definitely not winning.

The cherry picked data that is flawed for many many reasons, maybe, but not the overall data which is the only important measure.

Nice flaming, though.



Viper1 said:
mantlepiecek said:


You are just stressing how poor the brand did, not doing. Its doing very well right now. When this gen ends PS3 will most likely have profited from this gen (Sony expects it to, anyway) and that will undo the "biggest financial failure of gaming history".

Just because Federer used to be 1st, and is now under Nadal doesn't make him a loser. Just saying


Not possible.  they didn't even generate enough profit in the PS and PS2 era to cover that loss.  How are they supposed to make even more than they did in 2 highly successful generations with just 2-3 years left in the generation?

I agree with you, Viper. There is no way Sony will be able to erase the loss they have accrued over 4 years in just the 2-3 years remaining.



kowenicki said:
monsterone said:

...so if we were to adjust sales for comparable time on the market, which console has sold more? I have been wondering this for a while. seems odd that I havent scene this on the forums before. any info would be great.


its boring (been discussed a bazillion times)

irrelevant (an install base is an install base)

and bloody easy to work out.....

so why start a thread to ask?

This x 1,000,000



nightsurge said:
Wagram said:
nightsurge said:
Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Lol? Didn't realize being millions behind counted as winning?


/sigh another person who can't read. Must be going around. I give up on you people.

Lol? The fact of the matter is that even if you want to use some lame race analogy with the 360 having a head start it is STILL in the lead overall, so no matter what, the data shows the PS3 is most definitely not winning.

The cherry picked data that is flawed for many many reasons, maybe, but not the overall data which is the only important measure.

Nice flaming, though.


How is that flaming?

I'm seriously getting tired of people who don't take the time to actually READ. I never once stated that the PS3 was beating the 360 world wide. I have stated multiple times (if you would actually READ THE THREAD) that the PS3 is winning in terms of sales from launch on a time basis. The 360 had a year head start but the PS3 has been outselling it.



Wagram said:
nightsurge said:
Wagram said:
nightsurge said:
Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Lol? Didn't realize being millions behind counted as winning?


/sigh another person who can't read. Must be going around. I give up on you people.

Lol? The fact of the matter is that even if you want to use some lame race analogy with the 360 having a head start it is STILL in the lead overall, so no matter what, the data shows the PS3 is most definitely not winning.

The cherry picked data that is flawed for many many reasons, maybe, but not the overall data which is the only important measure.

Nice flaming, though.


How is that flaming?

I'm seriously getting tired of people who don't take the time to actually READ. I never once stated that the PS3 was beating the 360 world wide. I have stated multiple times (if you would actually READ THE THREAD) that the PS3 is winning in terms of sales from launch on a time basis. The 360 had a year head start but the PS3 has been outselling it.

How is that not flaming? You were trying to imply I am not intelligent enough to read.

I read your post perfectly fine, it is your other later response that has no basis and should have been clarified. You can't make incredibly flawed, cherry picking generalizations about the data just to say someone is winning. Personal agenda, perhaps?