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oniyide on 06 February 2011

@landguy1  your last sentence is probably the smarest ive read in some time



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NotStan on 06 February 2011
mantlepiecek said:
landguy1 said:
mantlepiecek said:

MS wanted to gain market share from Sony and they got it, but they had to ship broken consoles to achieve it.

In the end, I would say the one who actually won is Sony because they are not only catching up to MS, they are not going to ignore their fanbase in the process(original xbox anyone? RROD anyone? Kinect anyone?), and they are still only $299 price range. AND even then, they are catching up, reducing the gap with each quarter.

You can almost say goodbye to xbox 360 support if it ends up being in the third place. Same thing can't and won't be said about the PS3, because its in 3rd place and its doing mighty good for a 3rd place console. It hasn't even reached $199, when it does you can expect Sony to go above the second position permanent.

Wii is the only system that took real market share from Sony, not MS. 2.88 million difference with a $100 price difference and 1 year headstart....

Tough competition indeed.

You definitely show your Sony pride!!

Too bad your passion for Sony seems to make your somewhat valid point sound silly.  So, in your world, if the PS3 beats the 360 by 5-10 miilion, there wiil not be any suppport for microsofts consoles in the future?  Just the opposite, it shows the software developers that they shouldn't put so much faith in supporting just one cosole, but all of them.

Hmm...I don't like Sony as much as you think. If Sony did what MS did this gen I would have hated them as well. Its the act that counts, not the name. Its one of the reasons I don't dislike nintendo (I actually like their staff cause they are quite down to earth compared to Sony and MS.) even though I don't own a single nintendo console.

360 will have support, but not from MS, but from 3rd party. I don't think they will stop selling the 360 like the original xbox though.

I think the big flaw with your first analysis is the fact that chances are the next Xbox will also be Backward compatible, thus cutting the 360 legs right underneath it, if MS are in the mood to listen to the 360 owners, they'll also allow the gamertags to be transferred to the new console. If anything I think Xbox Live will continue going strong similar to the case when Original Xbox live kept going until several months ago.

If you meant the new games being 360 compatible, chances are the companies will also to do that seeing as it'll likely be cheap ports like the games on PS2



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Viper1 on 06 February 2011
Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Data shows X360 with more total sales and even as of last week higher weekly sales.  So data doesn't show the PS3 as winning.

Has the PS3 done a good job of reducing the X360's initial lead?  Absolutely.  Does that mean the PS3 is currently the better seller?  Not at all.



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mantlepiecek on 06 February 2011
NotStan said:

I think the big flaw with your first analysis is the fact that chances are the next Xbox will also be Backward compatible, thus cutting the 360 legs right underneath it, if MS are in the mood to listen to the 360 owners, they'll also allow the gamertags to be transferred to the new console. If anything I think Xbox Live will continue going strong similar to the case when Original Xbox live kept going until several months ago.

If you meant the new games being 360 compatible, chances are the companies will also to do that seeing as it'll likely be cheap ports like the games on PS2

I agree, I didn't mean it will have zero support, just no support from MS. MS can't control the third party. They will likely move on to the next generation.



mantlepiecek on 06 February 2011
kowenicki said:
mantlepiecek said:

MS wanted to gain market share from Sony and they got it, but they had to ship broken consoles to achieve it.

In the end, I would say the one who actually won is Sony because they are not only catching up to MS, they are not going to ignore their fanbase in the process(original xbox anyone? RROD anyone? Kinect anyone?), and they are still only $299 price range. AND even then, they are catching up, reducing the gap with each quarter.

You can almost say goodbye to xbox 360 support if it ends up being in the third place. Same thing can't and won't be said about the PS3, because its in 3rd place and its doing mighty good for a 3rd place console. It hasn't even reached $199, when it does you can expect Sony to go above the second position permanent.

Wii is the only system that took real market share from Sony, not MS. 2.88 million difference with a $100 price difference and 1 year headstart....

Tough competition indeed.


lmao

yeah with a 60m install base that really gonna happen

seriously the only loser (if there has to be one... I dont think there has to be one this gen btw) is Sony.  they collapsed from a very very lofty 1st to also rans.


60m install base.

They haven't even shipped that much. But if you are talking about future, sure, as I said, I am talking about MS support, not the third party support.

Sony is definitely a loser this gen. I mean, not only did they lose the blu-ray - HD DVD war, they are also going to be 3rd place this gen as well. We are hardly getting any exclusives from Sony this year too. No support :(



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slowmo on 06 February 2011

Sony said "This generation doesn't start until we launch" therefor the 360 lead was irrelevant to them.

 

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NotStan on 06 February 2011
mantlepiecek said:
NotStan said:

I think the big flaw with your first analysis is the fact that chances are the next Xbox will also be Backward compatible, thus cutting the 360 legs right underneath it, if MS are in the mood to listen to the 360 owners, they'll also allow the gamertags to be transferred to the new console. If anything I think Xbox Live will continue going strong similar to the case when Original Xbox live kept going until several months ago.

If you meant the new games being 360 compatible, chances are the companies will also to do that seeing as it'll likely be cheap ports like the games on PS2

I agree, I didn't mean it will have zero support, just no support from MS. MS can't control the third party. They will likely move on to the next generation.

I think the installbase of 70 m is too big to ignore for third parties, a quick port and probably about 100-200k will justify the porting costs and some profit on top. What I don't see is anymore first party games coming similar in the case of PS3 exclusives not making an appearance on PS2.

Bottom line is, 3rd parties will make the games for the next gen and will make crappy ports for X360 and PS3 like PS2, see World At War, Fifas etc.



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Wagram on 06 February 2011
Viper1 said:
Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Data shows X360 with more total sales and even as of last week higher weekly sales.  So data doesn't show the PS3 as winning.

Has the PS3 done a good job of reducing the X360's initial lead?  Absolutely.  Does that mean the PS3 is currently the better seller?  Not at all.

Do you pay attention at all? Because apparently you can't read.



NotStan on 06 February 2011
Wagram said:
Viper1 said:
Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Data shows X360 with more total sales and even as of last week higher weekly sales.  So data doesn't show the PS3 as winning.

Has the PS3 done a good job of reducing the X360's initial lead?  Absolutely.  Does that mean the PS3 is currently the better seller?  Not at all.

Do you pay attention at all? Because apparently you can't read.

"Sony is in fact winning", "So data doesn't show the PS3 as winning".

That was a bit of a premature judgement by you.

"Does that mean the PS3 is currently the better seller?  Not at all."

^ I think that links to the last weeks numbers.



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Wagram on 06 February 2011
NotStan said:
Wagram said:
Viper1 said:
Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Data shows X360 with more total sales and even as of last week higher weekly sales.  So data doesn't show the PS3 as winning.

Has the PS3 done a good job of reducing the X360's initial lead?  Absolutely.  Does that mean the PS3 is currently the better seller?  Not at all.

Do you pay attention at all? Because apparently you can't read.

"Sony is in fact winning", "So data doesn't show the PS3 as winning".

That was a bit of a premature judgement by you.

"Does that mean the PS3 is currently the better seller?  Not at all."

^ I think that links to the last weeks numbers.

For fuck sake READ!!!!!!! From LAUNCH!!!! PS3 is outselling the 360

Yes the 360 has more total sales at this time (it had a year head start) and YES the 360 had a better week this last week. Your not seeing the point here.