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landguy1 said:
mantlepiecek said:

MS wanted to gain market share from Sony and they got it, but they had to ship broken consoles to achieve it.

In the end, I would say the one who actually won is Sony because they are not only catching up to MS, they are not going to ignore their fanbase in the process(original xbox anyone? RROD anyone? Kinect anyone?), and they are still only $299 price range. AND even then, they are catching up, reducing the gap with each quarter.

You can almost say goodbye to xbox 360 support if it ends up being in the third place. Same thing can't and won't be said about the PS3, because its in 3rd place and its doing mighty good for a 3rd place console. It hasn't even reached $199, when it does you can expect Sony to go above the second position permanent.

Wii is the only system that took real market share from Sony, not MS. 2.88 million difference with a $100 price difference and 1 year headstart....

Tough competition indeed.

You definitely show your Sony pride!!

Too bad your passion for Sony seems to make your somewhat valid point sound silly.  So, in your world, if the PS3 beats the 360 by 5-10 miilion, there wiil not be any suppport for microsofts consoles in the future?  Just the opposite, it shows the software developers that they shouldn't put so much faith in supporting just one cosole, but all of them.  

Hmm...I don't like Sony as much as you think. If Sony did what MS did this gen I would have hated them as well. Its the act that counts, not the name. Its one of the reasons I don't dislike nintendo (I actually like their staff cause they are quite down to earth compared to Sony and MS.) even though I don't own a single nintendo console.

360 will have support, but not from MS, but from 3rd party. I don't think they will stop selling the 360 like the original xbox though.



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mantlepiecek said:
landguy1 said:
mantlepiecek said:

MS wanted to gain market share from Sony and they got it, but they had to ship broken consoles to achieve it.

In the end, I would say the one who actually won is Sony because they are not only catching up to MS, they are not going to ignore their fanbase in the process(original xbox anyone? RROD anyone? Kinect anyone?), and they are still only $299 price range. AND even then, they are catching up, reducing the gap with each quarter.

You can almost say goodbye to xbox 360 support if it ends up being in the third place. Same thing can't and won't be said about the PS3, because its in 3rd place and its doing mighty good for a 3rd place console. It hasn't even reached $199, when it does you can expect Sony to go above the second position permanent.

Wii is the only system that took real market share from Sony, not MS. 2.88 million difference with a $100 price difference and 1 year headstart....

Tough competition indeed.

You definitely show your Sony pride!!

Too bad your passion for Sony seems to make your somewhat valid point sound silly.  So, in your world, if the PS3 beats the 360 by 5-10 miilion, there wiil not be any suppport for microsofts consoles in the future?  Just the opposite, it shows the software developers that they shouldn't put so much faith in supporting just one cosole, but all of them.  

Hmm...I don't like Sony as much as you think. If Sony did what MS did this gen I would have hated them as well. Its the act that counts, not the name. Its one of the reasons I don't dislike nintendo (I actually like their staff cause they are quite down to earth compared to Sony and MS.) even though I don't own a single nintendo console.

360 will have support, but not from MS, but from 3rd party. I don't think they will stop selling the 360 like the original xbox though.

When 720 Launch Xbox 360 will probably be at > 70M so i can see alot of 3rd Parties milking the hell out of 360 to get some money... Probably we will see multis selling better on 360 than 720 in 720 1st year. i have no doubts of that!



@landguy1  your last sentence is probably the smarest ive read in some time



mantlepiecek said:
landguy1 said:
mantlepiecek said:

MS wanted to gain market share from Sony and they got it, but they had to ship broken consoles to achieve it.

In the end, I would say the one who actually won is Sony because they are not only catching up to MS, they are not going to ignore their fanbase in the process(original xbox anyone? RROD anyone? Kinect anyone?), and they are still only $299 price range. AND even then, they are catching up, reducing the gap with each quarter.

You can almost say goodbye to xbox 360 support if it ends up being in the third place. Same thing can't and won't be said about the PS3, because its in 3rd place and its doing mighty good for a 3rd place console. It hasn't even reached $199, when it does you can expect Sony to go above the second position permanent.

Wii is the only system that took real market share from Sony, not MS. 2.88 million difference with a $100 price difference and 1 year headstart....

Tough competition indeed.

You definitely show your Sony pride!!

Too bad your passion for Sony seems to make your somewhat valid point sound silly.  So, in your world, if the PS3 beats the 360 by 5-10 miilion, there wiil not be any suppport for microsofts consoles in the future?  Just the opposite, it shows the software developers that they shouldn't put so much faith in supporting just one cosole, but all of them.

Hmm...I don't like Sony as much as you think. If Sony did what MS did this gen I would have hated them as well. Its the act that counts, not the name. Its one of the reasons I don't dislike nintendo (I actually like their staff cause they are quite down to earth compared to Sony and MS.) even though I don't own a single nintendo console.

360 will have support, but not from MS, but from 3rd party. I don't think they will stop selling the 360 like the original xbox though.

I think the big flaw with your first analysis is the fact that chances are the next Xbox will also be Backward compatible, thus cutting the 360 legs right underneath it, if MS are in the mood to listen to the 360 owners, they'll also allow the gamertags to be transferred to the new console. If anything I think Xbox Live will continue going strong similar to the case when Original Xbox live kept going until several months ago.

If you meant the new games being 360 compatible, chances are the companies will also to do that seeing as it'll likely be cheap ports like the games on PS2



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Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Data shows X360 with more total sales and even as of last week higher weekly sales.  So data doesn't show the PS3 as winning.

Has the PS3 done a good job of reducing the X360's initial lead?  Absolutely.  Does that mean the PS3 is currently the better seller?  Not at all.



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Pineapple said:
kowenicki said:
monsterone said:

...so if we were to adjust sales for comparable time on the market, which console has sold more? I have been wondering this for a while. seems odd that I havent scene this on the forums before. any info would be great.


its boring (been discussed a bazillion times)

irrelevant (an install base is an install base)

and bloody easy to work out.....

so why start a thread to ask?

It hasn't been discussed in a while, and he's wondering about something. Not everybody is brilliantly skilled at working out numbers or operating VGChartz. He's asking a sales related question that hasn't been discussed in the past month as far as I can see. Seece makes brilliant graphs on the subject, but graphs aren't everybody's niche.

It really wouldn't hurt to be a little nice, you know. If you think VGChartz used to be a better place, look at yourself, because being rude and bitchy to people for asking a question is pretty much the worst things go on Vgchartz.

Anyway, here's the sales.

Sales in the 12 months before the launch of Playstation 3:
 X360: 5.332 million

First 12 months with the Ps3 on the market:
X360: 7.602 million
Ps3: 5.829 million

Months 13-24 for the Ps3:
X360:  9.262 million
Ps3: 10.064 million

Months 25-36 for the Ps3:
X360:  10.988 million
Ps3:  10.796 million

Months 37-48 for the Ps3:
X360: 11.779 million
Ps3: 14.743 million

Months 49- present for the Ps3:
X360: 6.321 million
Ps3: 5.817 million

 

Or if you just want the difference between the sales now and back then, the Ps3 has outsold the X360 by roughly 1.3 million since then.

like i said...

boring

irrelevant

and easy to work out.



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mantlepiecek said:

MS wanted to gain market share from Sony and they got it, but they had to ship broken consoles to achieve it.

In the end, I would say the one who actually won is Sony because they are not only catching up to MS, they are not going to ignore their fanbase in the process(original xbox anyone? RROD anyone? Kinect anyone?), and they are still only $299 price range. AND even then, they are catching up, reducing the gap with each quarter.

You can almost say goodbye to xbox 360 support if it ends up being in the third place. Same thing can't and won't be said about the PS3, because its in 3rd place and its doing mighty good for a 3rd place console. It hasn't even reached $199, when it does you can expect Sony to go above the second position permanent.

Wii is the only system that took real market share from Sony, not MS. 2.88 million difference with a $100 price difference and 1 year headstart....

Tough competition indeed.


lmao

yeah with a 60m install base that really gonna happen

seriously the only loser (if there has to be one... I dont think there has to be one this gen btw) is Sony.  they collapsed from a very very lofty 1st to also rans.



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NotStan said:

I think the big flaw with your first analysis is the fact that chances are the next Xbox will also be Backward compatible, thus cutting the 360 legs right underneath it, if MS are in the mood to listen to the 360 owners, they'll also allow the gamertags to be transferred to the new console. If anything I think Xbox Live will continue going strong similar to the case when Original Xbox live kept going until several months ago.

If you meant the new games being 360 compatible, chances are the companies will also to do that seeing as it'll likely be cheap ports like the games on PS2

I agree, I didn't mean it will have zero support, just no support from MS. MS can't control the third party. They will likely move on to the next generation.



kowenicki said:
mantlepiecek said:

MS wanted to gain market share from Sony and they got it, but they had to ship broken consoles to achieve it.

In the end, I would say the one who actually won is Sony because they are not only catching up to MS, they are not going to ignore their fanbase in the process(original xbox anyone? RROD anyone? Kinect anyone?), and they are still only $299 price range. AND even then, they are catching up, reducing the gap with each quarter.

You can almost say goodbye to xbox 360 support if it ends up being in the third place. Same thing can't and won't be said about the PS3, because its in 3rd place and its doing mighty good for a 3rd place console. It hasn't even reached $199, when it does you can expect Sony to go above the second position permanent.

Wii is the only system that took real market share from Sony, not MS. 2.88 million difference with a $100 price difference and 1 year headstart....

Tough competition indeed.


lmao

yeah with a 60m install base that really gonna happen

seriously the only loser (if there has to be one... I dont think there has to be one this gen btw) is Sony.  they collapsed from a very very lofty 1st to also rans.


60m install base.

They haven't even shipped that much. But if you are talking about future, sure, as I said, I am talking about MS support, not the third party support.

Sony is definitely a loser this gen. I mean, not only did they lose the blu-ray - HD DVD war, they are also going to be 3rd place this gen as well. We are hardly getting any exclusives from Sony this year too. No support :(



Sony said "This generation doesn't start until we launch" therefor the 360 lead was irrelevant to them.

 

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