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A difference of 2.88 million between 2nd and 3rd is not bad. I still see the PS3 when all said in done to outship 360 ( i believe ps3 will be on the market longer than the 360). Besides all 3 machines are now profitable. And besides software on the PS3 with maybe a 1/3 of the PS2 userbase still manages to sell better than it had on the PS2. Examples would be god of war, uncharted, killzone, etc. Besides I think this is actually good for Sony. It really allowed them to step their game up. If 360 did not become so dominant with xbox live then i doubt psn would be where it is today. So all in all this gen has been good for all 3 console makers.



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Squilliam said:

I'll take the alligned launches aspect, how about a PS3 in 2005 for $799?


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SpartenOmega117 said:

A difference of 2.88 million between 2nd and 3rd is not bad. I still see the PS3 when all said in done to outship 360 ( i believe ps3 will be on the market longer than the 360). Besides all 3 machines are now profitable. And besides software on the PS3 with maybe a 1/3 of the PS2 userbase still manages to sell better than it had on the PS2. Examples would be god of war, uncharted, killzone, etc. Besides I think this is actually good for Sony. It really allowed them to step their game up. If 360 did not become so dominant with xbox live then i doubt psn would be where it is today. So all in all this gen has been good for all 3 console makers.

I hate to be picky when your post is largely good but Killzone is the only one that has sold better on PS3 than PS2 and Uncharted itself wasn't even on PS2.



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NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Lol? Didn't realize being millions behind counted as winning?


/sigh another person who can't read. Must be going around. I give up on you people.

Lol? The fact of the matter is that even if you want to use some lame race analogy with the 360 having a head start it is STILL in the lead overall, so no matter what, the data shows the PS3 is most definitely not winning.

The cherry picked data that is flawed for many many reasons, maybe, but not the overall data which is the only important measure.

Nice flaming, though.


How is that flaming?

I'm seriously getting tired of people who don't take the time to actually READ. I never once stated that the PS3 was beating the 360 world wide. I have stated multiple times (if you would actually READ THE THREAD) that the PS3 is winning in terms of sales from launch on a time basis. The 360 had a year head start but the PS3 has been outselling it.

How is that not flaming? You were trying to imply I am not intelligent enough to read.

I read your post perfectly fine, it is your other later response that has no basis and should have been clarified. You can't make incredibly flawed, cherry picking generalizations about the data just to say someone is winning. Personal agenda, perhaps

Lol...Now we're having a flame bait in the thread due to read failures. Both consoles are selling good so far. Yeah all of them had their ups and downs in this console race, whether it was Ninty or Microsoft or Sony. Wii tasted the success with impressive sales. The head start theory is a discussion that needs to stop.



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Mr Puggsly said:
pizzahut451 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
monsterone said:

...so if we were to adjust sales for comparable time on the market, which console has sold more? I have been wondering this for a while. seems odd that I havent scene this on the forums before. any info would be great.

And...?

PS1 easily outsold Saturn and it was released later. That is irrelevant because the PS1-Saturn gap was 80 Million. It wouldnt make ANY diffrence if Saturn launched 3 years before PS1, the result would have been the same, PS1 would be still ahead. Now, if PS3 and Xbox would launch at the same time, PS3 would be easly aheaad, because if you count the PS3's sales from Nov 2006, PS3 sold 1.5 million more consoles than Xbox 360 worldwide.

PS2 easily outsold Dreamcast and it was released later.This is even more irrelevant since PS2-Dreamcast gap is 140 Million . Not to mention Dreamcast died after year or two after launch.

PS3 isn't outselling anything and is the biggest financial failure in gaming history. Lets stop being so worried about Xbox 360 and focus on that.Biggest financial failure its not, original Xbox lost about 6 billion, CD-i was also disaster and of course Dreamcast, i wont even compare software sales with these consoles. PS3 outsold Xbox in both 2010 and 2009 by quite the large margin, the sales in this time of year can be erased with 1 won week in holiday sales. In 2009, Xbox was outselling PS3 for every week in 2009 till September, where PS3 erased the gap in 4 weeks. These sales in thse part of year really dont mean much,



Past Sony console outsold the competition easily. Its so petty to see PS3 fans looking at timelines so PS3 appears to be more successful. I'm just stressing how poor the brand is doing. Huh, what? PS3 did outsell Xbox, from Nov 2006 till Jan. 2001 by 1.5 million units. And the brand is doing so poor, that PSP is the best selling non Nintendo console, and PS3 outsold Xbox pretty much everywhere except America and England. Yes, its doing really poor. Also, PS2 is still best selling console of all time...the most recognizable brand in gaming sure its putting a poor performance.

As mentioned, it was closer to $4 billion Xbox lost. Sony's gaming division lost like $5 billion since launching PS3. Hence, PS3 lost far more than $5 billion because its been losing profits made by PS2 and PSP as well.Wow, 5 billion, are you serious? Im sorry to dissapoint you, but sony lost about 3.5 billion on PS3.    http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=123850&page=1  

The other machines you mentioned, I don't know how much they lost but I'm sure its small fraction of what MS and Sony has put into hardware.Uhh, how about the fact Dreamcast put SEGA out of hardware buisness? Isnt that million times bigger financial disaster than Xbox and PS3?





account2099 said:

Um no.

we count everything. Always have, always will.

The ps3 sold a fat ZERO from Nov 2005-Nov 2006. 

 

It may not have been out physically at the time...........but it launched in PS3 fanboys hearts :P

Cmon guys........its embarrassing enough the former #1 console maker is loosing to a console that is failure prone and doesnt sell in Japan.............dont u find it shameful to spin victory when Sony SHOULD have been 2nd place years ago if they really knew what they were doing..........

Not really considering the price of the system the lack of exclusives, MSes year head start and the fact that Sony purposely took a hit to push blu ray, Sony's main goal wasn't outselling the 360, so it's no surprize they didn't, and they were a little too cocky 



SpartenOmega117 said:

A difference of 2.88 million between 2nd and 3rd is not bad. I still see the PS3 when all said in done to outship 360 ( i believe ps3 will be on the market longer than the 360). Besides all 3 machines are now profitable. And besides software on the PS3 with maybe a 1/3 of the PS2 userbase still manages to sell better than it had on the PS2. Examples would be god of war, uncharted, killzone, etc. Besides I think this is actually good for Sony. It really allowed them to step their game up. If 360 did not become so dominant with xbox live then i doubt psn would be where it is today. So all in all this gen has been good for all 3 console makers.

I agree a difference of 2.88 mil is not much seperating the 2... however while PS3 is winning in Japan, Europe and other parts of the world (by a small or large margin) - its still 10mil behind in the US. and i agree that the 360 and the Wii will be discontinued a lot sooner than the PS3 - which will continue to sell for at least 5 years more - even if the PS4 comes out by then.

so theres no point really arguing about this stuff now, the PS3 is going to be around a lot longer than the 360, just like the PS2 is still around and selling in smaller markets of the world. so its going to outsell the 360 even when the next gen starts in a few years or sooner.

but its still 10mil behind in the US and i dont see anyway of meeting the 360 on that level in the US.



pizzahut451 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Past Sony console outsold the competition easily. Its so petty to see PS3 fans looking at timelines so PS3 appears to be more successful. I'm just stressing how poor the brand is doing. Huh, what? PS3 did outsell Xbox, from Nov 2006 till Jan. 2001 by 1.5 million units. And the brand is doing so poor, that PSP is the best selling non Nintendo console, and PS3 outsold Xbox pretty much everywhere except America and England. Yes, its doing really poor. Also, PS2 is still best selling console of all time...the most recognizable brand in gaming sure its putting a poor performance.

As mentioned, it was closer to $4 billion Xbox lost. Sony's gaming division lost like $5 billion since launching PS3. Hence, PS3 lost far more than $5 billion because its been losing profits made by PS2 and PSP as well.Wow, 5 billion, are you serious? Im sorry to dissapoint you, but sony lost about 3.5 billion on PS3.    http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=123850&page=1  

The other machines you mentioned, I don't know how much they lost but I'm sure its small fraction of what MS and Sony has put into hardware.Uhh, how about the fact Dreamcast put SEGA out of hardware buisness? Isnt that million times bigger financial disaster than Xbox and PS3?



Pardon the late response...

It was able to outsell the 360 in the same time frame because Sony was willing to take massive losses to do so. MS could have widened the gap had they been willing to take massive losses as well. Losing billions with no real chance to earn it back isn't a success in my book. In a difererent post, I retracted how poor the brand was doing with PS3.

I'm confused by that chart. Between 2006 -2010 it shows Sony losing over 5 billion. In 2011 Sony made $500 million? Slighly less than Nintendo? Something isn't adding up.

Dreamcast didn't put Sega out of the hardware business. Massive competition did. Nintendo, MS, and Sony have much more money than Sega ever did. Sega couldn't compete and had more potential as a 3rd party developer. Which has worked out very well for them.



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Mr Puggsly said:
pizzahut451 said:
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Past Sony console outsold the competition easily. Its so petty to see PS3 fans looking at timelines so PS3 appears to be more successful. I'm just stressing how poor the brand is doing. Huh, what? PS3 did outsell Xbox, from Nov 2006 till Jan. 2001 by 1.5 million units. And the brand is doing so poor, that PSP is the best selling non Nintendo console, and PS3 outsold Xbox pretty much everywhere except America and England. Yes, its doing really poor. Also, PS2 is still best selling console of all time...the most recognizable brand in gaming sure its putting a poor performance.

As mentioned, it was closer to $4 billion Xbox lost. Sony's gaming division lost like $5 billion since launching PS3. Hence, PS3 lost far more than $5 billion because its been losing profits made by PS2 and PSP as well.Wow, 5 billion, are you serious? Im sorry to dissapoint you, but sony lost about 3.5 billion on PS3.    http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=123850&page=1  

The other machines you mentioned, I don't know how much they lost but I'm sure its small fraction of what MS and Sony has put into hardware.Uhh, how about the fact Dreamcast put SEGA out of hardware buisness? Isnt that million times bigger financial disaster than Xbox and PS3?



Pardon the late response...

It was able to outsell the 360 in the same time frame because Sony was willing to take massive losses to do so. MS could have widened the gap had they been willing to take massive losses as well. Losing billions with no real chance to earn it back isn't a success in my book. In a difererent post, I retracted how poor the brand was doing with PS3.

I'm confused by that chart. Between 2006 -2010 it shows Sony losing over 5 billion. In 2011 Sony made $500 million? Slighly less than Nintendo? Something isn't adding up.

Dreamcast didn't put Sega out of the hardware business. Massive competition did. Nintendo, MS, and Sony have much more money than Sega ever did. Sega couldn't compete and had more potential as a 3rd party developer. Which has worked out very well for them.


Ugh...Xbox did post huge losses in its 2 years, go look it up. And no, Sony, did in no way, shape or form lost even remotly close to 5 billion dollars. It was 3.5 - 3.8 billion max. Original Xbox exceeded that.As for SGEA, they did made some horrible desicions before Dreamcast, so its unfair to blame it all on Dreamcast, but the fact remains that SEGA is alone responsible for their failures.