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The 3DS vs PSP2 (NGP) battle: Who will win the console wars ?

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The PSP2 is going to appeal to a very narrow customer base (Sony fanboys and hardcore gamers) where as the 3DS will have that massive casual market, have brand recognition and that 3D gimmick (I hear 3D is popular these days).

The PSP2 will sell okay but nowhere near like the 3DS will. 



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RolStoppable said:
pizzahut451 said:
RolStoppable said:
pizzahut451 said:
Darc Requiem said:

Sony didn't start profiting from PS2 hardware until it's 3rd year on the market. They sold the system a huge loss the first two years because they didn't want to risk the Dreamcast gaining a foothold.

That's quite the nonsense you wrote there :)

Sony's gaming division posted a loss of about half a billion dollars in the fiscal year the PS2 launched. With an all around profitable PS1 and profitable PS2 software, that leaves only one culprit for the loss: PS2 hardware. A year before the PS2 launch Sony's gaming division posted a profit of more than $600 million, so losses on PS2 hardware could account for almost $1 billion in the following year as they didn't only offset all gains from the PS1 during that same year, but far exceeded it.

And yet they broke even and make almost 450M profit in the next year?  So PS2's  made up for 1 billion loss and added another half bilion in profit in only one year? Doesnt add up. I know Sony lost money on launch, but to say it was a ''huge loss'' is and overestimate. Huge loss means you lost huge chunk of all your money and wont be able to get it back for some time. If you call Sony's loss huge, how would you call Miscrosoft's on original Xbox?

$1 billion is a lot of money, it is a huge loss. What's incorrect about the post you originally quoted is the notion that Sony sold the PS2 at a huge loss for the first two years (which isn't what you bolded). The PS2 was sold at a huge loss in its first year, that's a factually correct statement.

You are confusing division profits and the the cost of the hardware versus it's MSRP. Sony's strategy usually involves selling the hardware at a loss and making up the difference in software. Every time they sold a PS2 in the first two years they lost money on the sale. In the first fiscal year they didn't sell enough software to cover those losses, in the second fiscal year they did. That doesn't change the fact that PS2 console itself was sold at a loss.



PSP2 will tank like the PSP, and $ony will fail to learn its lesson like with the PSP.



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It comes down to whether developers will be able to harness the NGP's power. My guess is that it's overkill, and that the NGP, like the PSP, will fail to live up to its full potential. I'd be tempted to say that the NGP's extras (ie. 3G, etc.) are just a ploy to help draw consumers in, but I don't know enough about Sony's sales strategy to say anything.

Of course, the 3DS could also face the same issues. It is releasing at a price point far higher than that of the DS, or even the Wii, and its battery life is only fair. But Nintendo could easily remedy that issue. One upside is that developers will probably be less likely to rush products out, but we won't see too many new IPs, either.

Honestly, I don't feel like the NGP has a large chance of mainstream success. Its game library will likely be a mashup of PSP and PS3 franchises (ie. very little new material).

Personally, I feel like the 3DS could hit anywhere between 75-110 million WW, or possibly DS numbers if something big happened, but I don't ever see NGP passing 100 million, even if everything went right with the pricing and all. I see more like 50-60 million.



scapegoatsqueal said:

PSP2 will tank like the PSP, and $ony will fail to learn its lesson like with the PSP.

Like Sega?

Wow, I feel bad now.



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stopstopp said:
scapegoatsqueal said:

PSP2 will tank like the PSP, and $ony will fail to learn its lesson like with the PSP.

Like Sega?

Wow, I feel bad now.


its k, its normal 2 feel bad when u type something stupid. SEGA only went wrong with the Saturn, and they corrected themselves with the Dreamcast



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scapegoatsqueal said:

PSP2 will tank like the PSP, and $ony will fail to learn its lesson like with the PSP.


so its not going to stay for a long time? from what weve seen sony did learn their lesson from the psp. heck even sega have faith in them.



Being in 3rd place never felt so good

scapegoatsqueal said:
stopstopp said:
scapegoatsqueal said:

PSP2 will tank like the PSP, and $ony will fail to learn its lesson like with the PSP.

Like Sega?

Wow, I feel bad now.


its k, its normal 2 feel bad when u type something stupid. SEGA only went wrong with the Saturn, and they corrected themselves with the Dreamcast

If SEGA wins (or finally stops screwing up Sonic and getting the sales back), I'll admit they learned something.



I think this thread is pointless

you see there was never a console war, the war of hd or higher graphics was just a stupid thing because in the end all ended adding sensing tech to their systems and that was what nintendo did since the beginning with the wii.

So there was never a battle, and now the media are paying too much attention to the portable market, the portable market was always important just that nobody noticed it, and there won't be any battle as sony vs nintendo or psp2 vs 3ds not, it won't.

I don't think that people that claimed the 3ds to be too expensive will be buying a psp2 priced at $400.

The only console war was nintendo vs sega, other things besides that are just to drag attention when there are not such things as console wars that is just stupid.



I have the 3DS winning this war ((just as nintendo always has))

My reasons for this are as follows. Nintendo has 2 of the top 10 gaming franchises under their belt, and to make it worse they are the top two, and they are purely exclusive. No one, i repeat no one can fight that. Yes Pokemon B/W is releasing for the DS but I know a lot of people are going to buy a 3DS and play them on that instead of the DS ((myself included)) Then there are people who will go out and buy a 3DS for the simple fact that they know Pokemon is coming out eventually and will be totally awesome. Mario is a great fix for Hardcore and casual gamers ((i don't know how nintendo does it, but they can make both parties happy with this game, go figure)) 

Second reason: the 3DS offers something new ((not saying 3d is new, but without glasses it is)) It's following that old montra of let's give them something to talk about. The sheer fact that you can play games and what the Heck they pop out at you is freaking great. 

But this is not to say that the NGP will not sell well ((i plan on getting one... when i got some free cash and i see a game i need in my life like KH)) Both systems have a great support from 3rd Parties ((I wonder why people keep forgetting that the 3ds might get some ports from the PS2 as well, seeing as how they already have Metal Gear Snake Eater)) 

I do see how the 3DS can fail, i do see a lot of silly parents not understanding the difference between the systems and denying their child the newness on the market, or silly sales people not properly explaining to the parents that it's a new system ((nintendo really should call it something else... but then look at the GB, GBC, then the GBA... all same name and all sold great)) 

All in all i have to say that the 3DS will win mainly because of exclusives ((and when i say exclusives i mean exclusives)) and a experience you can't get anywhere else ((no offense i can get great looking games on my TV, but i can't get glasses less 3D... yet)) 

... Why did i use so many (())... as if I wasn't typing but actually talking and those are my inside thoughts... hahaha I'm crazy lol



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