ChronotriggerJM said: kber81 said: Slimebeast said: X360 price drop + GTA4-release next spring ---> X360 will leave the PS3 far behind in sales. Not in Europe. GTA4 will sell better on PS3 here. Microsoft can add DLC etc. but it won't change anything. PES08 on X360 is better and Microsoft has bigger userbase... and you know what? PS3 version still sells better. People simply trust in Sony brand.  Well I'm not sure I'd say I trust in the Sony Brand per say, but I look at the competition, see that it's Microsoft, and do myself the favor of avoiding at all costs XD I'd say a lot of it isn't Sony support, but Microsoft's foul taste.

I have a similiar standpoint, but I won't dive into it to derail the thread. But just giving you a nudge that at least some one agrees with you.

kber81 said: Slimebeast said: X360 price drop + GTA4-release next spring ---> X360 will leave the PS3 far behind in sales. Not in Europe. GTA4 will sell better on PS3 here. Microsoft can add DLC etc. but it won't change anything. PES08 on X360 is better and Microsoft has bigger userbase... and you know what? PS3 version still sells better. People simply trust in Sony brand.

 Thats pretty sad. This screeaams of blind loyalty. I chose the 360 because I could not see paying more for the mediocre versions the PS3 has. I don't give a damn who makes the manufacturer is. Heck, if I could afford it I would buy a PC to go side by side with my Mac cause nothing on any console looks as good as Crysis. The reason why I would pay for Xbox live is because they actually have GOOD multiplayer quality going. Sony's free network just plain sucks, its VERY laggy and low quality. I pay money for a good game experience, not for brand loyalty.

rocketpig said: Or you just don't care about Blu-ray. You know, there are loads of us who don't care about this HD format war. I have yet to buy one Blu-ray movie and I doubt I will any time soon. I only care about the games and the 360 has the PS3 beat right now. I hardly even consider buying PS3 games, I Gamefly them all while my 360 gets a new game on a monthly basis.

 I generally do the opposite with my gamefly account. I usually rent games on PS3 and 360 the press the keep it button for PS3 games. only 1 360 game have I pressed the keep it button on for and that was Gears. I got halo 3 for free played it for a week and stopped playing it (and really regret falling for the hype enough to get a live gold membership). I generally play my PS3 more as online games are more bearable. Also the fear of my 360 breaking forces my to buy multi games on ps3. Im really tired of being scared every time I pop in Bioshock. The noise is the main thing the excites my fear of it breaking Its louder then my PC, PS2 and Ps3 combined.

Passenger57 said: kber81 said: Slimebeast said: X360 price drop + GTA4-release next spring ---> X360 will leave the PS3 far behind in sales. Not in Europe. GTA4 will sell better on PS3 here. Microsoft can add DLC etc. but it won't change anything. PES08 on X360 is better and Microsoft has bigger userbase... and you know what? PS3 version still sells better. People simply trust in Sony brand.   Thats pretty sad. This screeaams of blind loyalty. I chose the 360 because I could not see paying more for the mediocre versions the PS3 has. I don't give a damn who makes the manufacturer is. Heck, if I could afford it I would buy a PC to go side by side with my Mac cause nothing on any console looks as good as Crysis. The reason why I would pay for Xbox live is because they actually have GOOD multiplayer quality going. Sony's free network just plain sucks, its VERY laggy and low quality. I pay money for a good game experience, not for brand loyalty.

It screams blind loyalty  because... he doesnt agree with you? he's actually just stating the facts, take a look at the most recent EU software charts for a peak.

Yeah... I geuss you dont own a PS3 either. Laggy is the last thing that comes to mind.

Much like Xbox live's start up, PSN is temporarily a lack luster in some categories. But thats gonna change in spring. Its another major reason why hardcore gamers are choosing the xbox 360 in the states due to its features like achievements.

I can see that changing when Home and PSN in general gets stabilized, plus the arrival of MGS4 will probably make it harder for those hardcore gamers be able to resist.

darthdevidem said: WELL: PS3 sales should be at "around" 7.7 By the end of this week (I excpect AT LEAST 200K from NA this week) so that leaves 2 weeks in which it is Very much possible for it to maybe to 500K each week.. could that mean we are close to 9 million Ps3's sold by the end of this year!

 that 7.7 guess was very good, http://www.vgchartz.com/    thats what it has right now lolz

While I think we're all rightfully pissed off about the 360's build quality, I don't think it was a bad move from a business perspective. They cut corners to get the machine out in time, and it worked. They bet that reliability wasn't an issue that consumers care about (look at the PS2), and it paid off. Have the 360's sales really suffered from this? If they have, certainly not by as much as they would have by delaying the launch 6 months to design the console properly.

Meanwhile we've got the PS3 with stellar build quality, along with little luxury features like an oversized power supply and a user-replaceable harddrive, and nobody gives a shit. I don't like to say it, but if they'd taken the money they spent on that stuff and put it directly towards bringing the price down earlier or boosting the graphics card, Sony would probably be in a much better position right now.

At some point during the 360's early testing phase, somebody was probably told "You know, there's a design flaw here that's going to cause a lot of problems," and the guy responded "Screw it, we need to launch this year." He probably got a promotion, and not without good reason.

Passenger57 said: kber81 said: Slimebeast said: X360 price drop + GTA4-release next spring ---> X360 will leave the PS3 far behind in sales. Not in Europe. GTA4 will sell better on PS3 here. Microsoft can add DLC etc. but it won't change anything. PES08 on X360 is better and Microsoft has bigger userbase... and you know what? PS3 version still sells better. People simply trust in Sony brand. Thats pretty sad. This screeaams of blind loyalty. I chose the 360 because I could not see paying more for the mediocre versions the PS3 has. I don't give a damn who makes the manufacturer is. Heck, if I could afford it I would buy a PC to go side by side with my Mac cause nothing on any console looks as good as Crysis. The reason why I would pay for Xbox live is because they actually have GOOD multiplayer quality going. Sony's free network just plain sucks, its VERY laggy and low quality. I pay money for a good game experience, not for brand loyalty.

 See I'm more of a Value for my Dollar kind of guy, I refuse to fork out $500 for a console that's only strongpoint is playing games, THEN makes me pay $60 a year to play online?!?. When I saw the PS3 for $600 and learned that it had a Blu-ray player, an AMAZING dvd upscaler, played PS1-2 games, AND had free online play, the choice was very easy for me. Value for dollar when the consoles were released was not even a question, paired with the 360's massive failure rate I just can't see why anyone would pay for it :/ But anyway, back on topic I suppose, I'm glad to see the PS3 gaining some ground :P about damn time!

Oh and a side note, keep in mind PSN is just passing the year mark? Were you around to see Xbox Lives first year? :D If not, consider yourself lucky ^_^ 

@aceninja

thanks....

It was basically simple maths..but even I UNDERESTIMATED it because the JAP sales aren't up, they should be at least 40K

so it will be at 7.74 K

7.74 Million...not K sorry!

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Kyros said: "America doesn't hate the PS3, they hate spending $4-500 on a console when they can get one just as fun for almost half the price" And they like to have a personal relationship with the support guy from MS. Ok sorry no more RRoD jokes. But the last time I looked the cheapest 360 cost 279$, the cheapest PS3 with 40Gb hard-drive, BluRay, WLAN 400$ (ok no BC). The price argument is simply ridiculous. The advantages of the 360 are some great exclusives, better online play and better multiplatform versions but if you think the 360 gives you more hardware for your money then you live in the past.

 He didn't mention hardware at all, he said "just as fun."

 He also didn't specifically mention the 360.