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stopstopp said:

That aspect is not big and it still hurts more than it helps. Games with small margins die because of piracy.

Software Piracy rates are huge in some countries, upwards of over 80%. Even countries in Eurpoe like Spain have huge amounts of piracy. Piracy is a problem, and it most definitely is not a small problem that if you act like it is small, it might become that way.

There are games like Sins of a Solar Empire that have no DRM at all... they sell just fine.  Heck some dev (i forgot which) actually put their own game on the pirate bay... for promotional purposes.

what I mean is sure piracy is bad... but it's not the doom of gaming. Devs need to learn how to use it to their advantage. it's a factor that is here to stay anyways.



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so people will end up buying things......that they can get for free, that makes no sense whatsoever, and compareing piracy to things like borrowing a game, and renting one??? ummm really....

you don't see the OBVIOUS FAIL in that logic, no of course you don't (your supporting it afterall) well here's the thing, that makes piracy different form those things.......you DON'T own a borrowed or rented game, that freing can say, I want my game back and you have to give it back, which if you liked the game you'll buy so you can keep playing and not have anyone say, I need it back. same goes for renting. Priacy on the other hand is a game you OWN, no one (and I can't beleive i have to say this) will say give it back.

And another thing about this whole shitstorm, is that the people who support it where proud and happy to tell EVERYONE "Sony CAN'T do ANYTHING to stop this" they have the keys and whatnot, and how they could trick the ps3 into thinking anything is legit, and how it's walking though the front door undetected insted of the back window (like with 360, wii, etc which can easily be decteded)

and yet now when we are getting nothing but BAD news (all the things d********s said they didn't want to happen), the same poeple are saying but but teh wii and 360 has hacks and piracy, so it won't effect the ps3 even though you just got finish bragging about how the hack on ps3 is WAY worse but all of a sudden it won't be any woser than on the other platforms.

here's the reality of the situation, nothing good has come form this good intention hack, just that one piece of firm ware that douchebag released that has been used for nothing but hacking and cheating in online games, and piracy. where's the homebrew......where's the custom themes (and really custom themes), etc. I ask where you short sighted *******,I actually liked MW2 which is unplayable now -__-

 

 

 

 

oh and food for thought, ask your self hackers, you say linux and other os was the reason for the hack, and knowing Sony removed the feature to combat hacking, do you think it will even be an option next gen, when it would have actually been usefull running on hardware that could suppot it properly.

 

 

for an extremely talented and gifted group, these guys make really stupid decisions.



goforgold said:

so people will end up buying things......that they can get for free, that makes no sense whatsoever, and compareing piracy to things like borrowing a game, and renting one??? ummm really....

you don't see the OBVIOUS FAIL in that logic, no of course you don't (your supporting it afterall) well here's the thing, that makes piracy different form those things.......you DON'T own a borrowed or rented game, that freing can say, I want my game back and you have to give it back, which if you liked the game you'll buy so you can keep playing and not have anyone say, I need it back. same goes for renting. Priacy on the other hand is a game you OWN, no one (and I can't beleive i have to say this) will say give it back.

And another thing about this whole shitstorm, is that the people who support it where proud and happy to tell EVERYONE "Sony CAN'T do ANYTHING to stop this" they have the keys and whatnot, and how they could trick the ps3 into thinking anything is legit, and how it's walking though the front door undetected insted of the back window (like with 360, wii, etc which can easily be decteded)

and yet now when we are getting nothing but BAD news (all the things d********s said they didn't want to happen), the same poeple are saying but but teh wii and 360 has hacks and piracy, so it won't effect the ps3 even though you just got finish bragging about how the hack on ps3 is WAY worse but all of a sudden it won't be any woser than on the other platforms.

here's the reality of the situation, nothing good has come form this good intention hack, just that one piece of firm ware that douchebag released that has been used for nothing but hacking and cheating in online games, and piracy. where's the homebrew......where's the custom themes (and really custom themes), etc. I ask where you short sighted *******,I actually liked MW2 which is unplayable now -__-

 

 

 

 

oh and food for thought, ask your self hackers, you say linux and other os was the reason for the hack, and knowing Sony removed the feature to combat hacking, do you think it will even be an option next gen, when it would have actually been usefull running on hardware that could suppot it properly.

 

 

for an extremely talented and gifted group, these guys make really stupid decisions.


Explain why Black Ops was pirated less than Modern Warfare 2 yet purchased A LOT more.

Explain why the Music industry has grown instead of shrunk.

 

Explain how piracy doesn't partially help sales when pirated copies majority of the time can not be used online? Which actually promotes the purchase of a legit copy to prevent your console from being banned by going online with a banned copy.

 

Instead of throwing around insults due to knowing zero about the actual homebrew and/or piracy scene, try to actually form an argument that can be worked with. You don't help your argument at all with the approach you take.

 

Oh and food for though, people don't play Call of Duty on XBox 360?

And here I thought more people played on 360 than PS3. 360 version has been hacked for over a year.



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It's been a while since I was actively in the PSP scene but a CFW PSP allows you to play your PS1 games without having to re-buy the game on the PSN. Plus you can play PS1 games that have yet to be released on the store.

There are plugins that you can install to take screenshots, play some games in 3d, listen to music while playing games. Another plugin allows you to increase the volume of your psp. I used this one plugin that allowed you to save a battery power by underclocking your psp when you used the hold button. Another program called remotejoy allows you to play your psp on your computer monitor.

There are tons of useful programs and apps for CFW psps, and there is a lot of great homebrew on the PSP. For the first few months of me owning the PSP, I didn't play a single PSP game.



Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:

so people will end up buying things......that they can get for free, that makes no sense whatsoever, and compareing piracy to things like borrowing a game, and renting one??? ummm really....

you don't see the OBVIOUS FAIL in that logic, no of course you don't (your supporting it afterall) well here's the thing, that makes piracy different form those things.......you DON'T own a borrowed or rented game, that freing can say, I want my game back and you have to give it back, which if you liked the game you'll buy so you can keep playing and not have anyone say, I need it back. same goes for renting. Priacy on the other hand is a game you OWN, no one (and I can't beleive i have to say this) will say give it back.

And another thing about this whole shitstorm, is that the people who support it where proud and happy to tell EVERYONE "Sony CAN'T do ANYTHING to stop this" they have the keys and whatnot, and how they could trick the ps3 into thinking anything is legit, and how it's walking though the front door undetected insted of the back window (like with 360, wii, etc which can easily be decteded)

and yet now when we are getting nothing but BAD news (all the things d********s said they didn't want to happen), the same poeple are saying but but teh wii and 360 has hacks and piracy, so it won't effect the ps3 even though you just got finish bragging about how the hack on ps3 is WAY worse but all of a sudden it won't be any woser than on the other platforms.

here's the reality of the situation, nothing good has come form this good intention hack, just that one piece of firm ware that douchebag released that has been used for nothing but hacking and cheating in online games, and piracy. where's the homebrew......where's the custom themes (and really custom themes), etc. I ask where you short sighted *******,I actually liked MW2 which is unplayable now -__-

 

 

 

 

oh and food for thought, ask your self hackers, you say linux and other os was the reason for the hack, and knowing Sony removed the feature to combat hacking, do you think it will even be an option next gen, when it would have actually been usefull running on hardware that could suppot it properly.

 

 

for an extremely talented and gifted group, these guys make really stupid decisions.


Explain why Black Ops was pirated less than Modern Warfare 2 yet purchased A LOT more.

Explain why the Music industry has grown instead of shrunk.

 

Explain how piracy doesn't partially help sales when pirated copies majority of the time can not be used online? Which actually promotes the purchase of a legit copy to prevent your console from being banned by going online with a banned copy.

 

Instead of throwing around insults due to knowing zero about the actual homebrew and/or piracy scene, try to actually form an argument that can be worked with. You don't help your argument at all with the approach you take.

 

Oh and food for though, people don't play Call of Duty on XBox 360?

And here I thought more people played on 360 than PS3. 360 version has been hacked for over a year.

I'll agree with you that the ps3 piracy isn't all that bad when an actual homebrew app is released instead of pirated games and online hacks... Right now though, it isn't looking too good =/



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luvtospooge said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:

so people will end up buying things......that they can get for free, that makes no sense whatsoever, and compareing piracy to things like borrowing a game, and renting one??? ummm really....

you don't see the OBVIOUS FAIL in that logic, no of course you don't (your supporting it afterall) well here's the thing, that makes piracy different form those things.......you DON'T own a borrowed or rented game, that freing can say, I want my game back and you have to give it back, which if you liked the game you'll buy so you can keep playing and not have anyone say, I need it back. same goes for renting. Priacy on the other hand is a game you OWN, no one (and I can't beleive i have to say this) will say give it back.

And another thing about this whole shitstorm, is that the people who support it where proud and happy to tell EVERYONE "Sony CAN'T do ANYTHING to stop this" they have the keys and whatnot, and how they could trick the ps3 into thinking anything is legit, and how it's walking though the front door undetected insted of the back window (like with 360, wii, etc which can easily be decteded)

and yet now when we are getting nothing but BAD news (all the things d********s said they didn't want to happen), the same poeple are saying but but teh wii and 360 has hacks and piracy, so it won't effect the ps3 even though you just got finish bragging about how the hack on ps3 is WAY worse but all of a sudden it won't be any woser than on the other platforms.

here's the reality of the situation, nothing good has come form this good intention hack, just that one piece of firm ware that douchebag released that has been used for nothing but hacking and cheating in online games, and piracy. where's the homebrew......where's the custom themes (and really custom themes), etc. I ask where you short sighted *******,I actually liked MW2 which is unplayable now -__-

 

 

 

 

oh and food for thought, ask your self hackers, you say linux and other os was the reason for the hack, and knowing Sony removed the feature to combat hacking, do you think it will even be an option next gen, when it would have actually been usefull running on hardware that could suppot it properly.

 

 

for an extremely talented and gifted group, these guys make really stupid decisions.


Explain why Black Ops was pirated less than Modern Warfare 2 yet purchased A LOT more.

Explain why the Music industry has grown instead of shrunk.

 

Explain how piracy doesn't partially help sales when pirated copies majority of the time can not be used online? Which actually promotes the purchase of a legit copy to prevent your console from being banned by going online with a banned copy.

 

Instead of throwing around insults due to knowing zero about the actual homebrew and/or piracy scene, try to actually form an argument that can be worked with. You don't help your argument at all with the approach you take.

 

Oh and food for though, people don't play Call of Duty on XBox 360?

And here I thought more people played on 360 than PS3. 360 version has been hacked for over a year.

I'll agree with you that the ps3 piracy isn't all that bad when an actual homebrew app is released instead of pirated games and online hacks... Right now though, it isn't looking too good =/

It isn't looking too good because the media is overblowing everything that is being done at the moment. You saw a video of (1) person using bullshit hacks, that is it. No way to know if this problem is widespread.

Did anyone here have their rank dropped? Do we have threads all over complaining about it? Or is it just that one youtube video?

Do we know if that same person was online with a pirated copy? If they were, are they hurting you?

Will SONY keep making games for you and me? Yes.

Will 3rd parties suddenly abandon PS3 due to piracy? No.

 

So I do not see why everyone is getting so bent about this.



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Euphoria14 said:
luvtospooge said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:

so people will end up buying things......that they can get for free, that makes no sense whatsoever, and compareing piracy to things like borrowing a game, and renting one??? ummm really....

you don't see the OBVIOUS FAIL in that logic, no of course you don't (your supporting it afterall) well here's the thing, that makes piracy different form those things.......you DON'T own a borrowed or rented game, that freing can say, I want my game back and you have to give it back, which if you liked the game you'll buy so you can keep playing and not have anyone say, I need it back. same goes for renting. Priacy on the other hand is a game you OWN, no one (and I can't beleive i have to say this) will say give it back.

And another thing about this whole shitstorm, is that the people who support it where proud and happy to tell EVERYONE "Sony CAN'T do ANYTHING to stop this" they have the keys and whatnot, and how they could trick the ps3 into thinking anything is legit, and how it's walking though the front door undetected insted of the back window (like with 360, wii, etc which can easily be decteded)

and yet now when we are getting nothing but BAD news (all the things d********s said they didn't want to happen), the same poeple are saying but but teh wii and 360 has hacks and piracy, so it won't effect the ps3 even though you just got finish bragging about how the hack on ps3 is WAY worse but all of a sudden it won't be any woser than on the other platforms.

here's the reality of the situation, nothing good has come form this good intention hack, just that one piece of firm ware that douchebag released that has been used for nothing but hacking and cheating in online games, and piracy. where's the homebrew......where's the custom themes (and really custom themes), etc. I ask where you short sighted *******,I actually liked MW2 which is unplayable now -__-

 

 

 

 

oh and food for thought, ask your self hackers, you say linux and other os was the reason for the hack, and knowing Sony removed the feature to combat hacking, do you think it will even be an option next gen, when it would have actually been usefull running on hardware that could suppot it properly.

 

 

for an extremely talented and gifted group, these guys make really stupid decisions.


Explain why Black Ops was pirated less than Modern Warfare 2 yet purchased A LOT more.

Explain why the Music industry has grown instead of shrunk.

 

Explain how piracy doesn't partially help sales when pirated copies majority of the time can not be used online? Which actually promotes the purchase of a legit copy to prevent your console from being banned by going online with a banned copy.

 

Instead of throwing around insults due to knowing zero about the actual homebrew and/or piracy scene, try to actually form an argument that can be worked with. You don't help your argument at all with the approach you take.

 

Oh and food for though, people don't play Call of Duty on XBox 360?

And here I thought more people played on 360 than PS3. 360 version has been hacked for over a year.

I'll agree with you that the ps3 piracy isn't all that bad when an actual homebrew app is released instead of pirated games and online hacks... Right now though, it isn't looking too good =/

It isn't looking too good because the media is overblowing everything that is being done at the moment. You saw a video of (1) person using bullshit hacks, that is it. No way to know if this problem is widespread.

Did anyone here have their rank dropped? Do we have threads all over complaining about it? Or is it just that one youtube video?

Do we know if that same person was online with a pirated copy? If they were, are they hurting you?

Will SONY keep making games for you and me? Yes.

Will 3rd parties suddenly abandon PS3 due to piracy? No.

 

So I do not see why everyone is getting so bent about this.


I can only say...time will tell.



Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:

so people will end up buying things......that they can get for free, that makes no sense whatsoever, and compareing piracy to things like borrowing a game, and renting one??? ummm really....

you don't see the OBVIOUS FAIL in that logic, no of course you don't (your supporting it afterall) well here's the thing, that makes piracy different form those things.......you DON'T own a borrowed or rented game, that freing can say, I want my game back and you have to give it back, which if you liked the game you'll buy so you can keep playing and not have anyone say, I need it back. same goes for renting. Priacy on the other hand is a game you OWN, no one (and I can't beleive i have to say this) will say give it back.

And another thing about this whole shitstorm, is that the people who support it where proud and happy to tell EVERYONE "Sony CAN'T do ANYTHING to stop this" they have the keys and whatnot, and how they could trick the ps3 into thinking anything is legit, and how it's walking though the front door undetected insted of the back window (like with 360, wii, etc which can easily be decteded)

and yet now when we are getting nothing but BAD news (all the things d********s said they didn't want to happen), the same poeple are saying but but teh wii and 360 has hacks and piracy, so it won't effect the ps3 even though you just got finish bragging about how the hack on ps3 is WAY worse but all of a sudden it won't be any woser than on the other platforms.

here's the reality of the situation, nothing good has come form this good intention hack, just that one piece of firm ware that douchebag released that has been used for nothing but hacking and cheating in online games, and piracy. where's the homebrew......where's the custom themes (and really custom themes), etc. I ask where you short sighted *******,I actually liked MW2 which is unplayable now -__-

 

 

 

 

oh and food for thought, ask your self hackers, you say linux and other os was the reason for the hack, and knowing Sony removed the feature to combat hacking, do you think it will even be an option next gen, when it would have actually been usefull running on hardware that could suppot it properly.

 

 

for an extremely talented and gifted group, these guys make really stupid decisions.


Explain why Black Ops was pirated less than Modern Warfare 2 yet purchased A LOT more.

Explain why the Music industry has grown instead of shrunk.

 

Explain how piracy doesn't partially help sales when pirated copies majority of the time can not be used online? Which actually promotes the purchase of a legit copy to prevent your console from being banned by going online with a banned copy.

 

Instead of throwing around insults due to knowing zero about the actual homebrew and/or piracy scene, try to actually form an argument that can be worked with. You don't help your argument at all with the approach you take.

 

Oh and food for though, people don't play Call of Duty on XBox 360?

And here I thought more people played on 360 than PS3. 360 version has been hacked for over a year.

it was......and it fucking sucked, so because their version is hacked I have to accept the fact that mines is now to??? more FAIL logic.

you know people actaully like the comfort that they can play a game online and not have to worry about some lowlife douchbag ruining the experience by cheating, I got that on ps3.....no anymore. I could careless 360 fans had to deal with a hacked version, that don't make my situation better,

I was shot and that sucks, but so was this other guy it's ok I guess -__-

and about the music indusrty......REALLY, imagine if just one percent of the people who pirate music actually brought it legally, that industry revenue would be 10 fold what it is now.



goforgold said:

it was......and it fucking sucked, so because their version is hacked I have to accept the fact that mines is now to??? more FAIL logic.

you know people actaully like the comfort that they can play a game online and not have to worry about some lowlife douchbag ruining the experience by cheating, I got that on ps3.....no anymore. I could careless 360 fans had to deal with a hacked version, that don't make my situation better,

I was shot and that sucks, but so was this other guy it's ok I guess -__-

and about the music indusrty......REALLY, imagine if just one percent of the people who pirate music actually brought it legally, that industry revenue would be 10 fold what it is now.

You know that most prefer to play COD on the 360?



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Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:

it was......and it fucking sucked, so because their version is hacked I have to accept the fact that mines is now to??? more FAIL logic.

you know people actaully like the comfort that they can play a game online and not have to worry about some lowlife douchbag ruining the experience by cheating, I got that on ps3.....no anymore. I could careless 360 fans had to deal with a hacked version, that don't make my situation better,

I was shot and that sucks, but so was this other guy it's ok I guess -__-

and about the music indusrty......REALLY, imagine if just one percent of the people who pirate music actually brought it legally, that industry revenue would be 10 fold what it is now.

You know that most prefer to play COD on the 360?

and that matter to me because.......