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1: what can a hacked psp do that a normal psp can't? I hear people say "Oh I can do a lot of things with my psp" what I want to know is- what? with the exception of playing pirated games or emulating other consoles, there's really nothing added I can think of.

2: How safe is the psn store? I know I keep brining this up but I'm really worrying for the "one-guy-in-a-basement" developers who, after all their hard work making a game, won't get jack for it. It's easy to not feel sympathy for guys like EA and Activision but what about the little people?

3: Everyone kept saying the only reason why Geodude and FoF hacked the ps3 was to get back linux and OtherOS, with that in mind, this is a 2 part question

A: After getting the keys, why not then find a way to return the OtherOS and leave the other parts alone instead of releasing everything out into the open?

B: So...where exactly is the rebirth of Linux and the ressurection of the OtherOS? Because all we seem to hear about is games getting pirated and online getting hacked. The less I hear about Linux and OtherOS resurfacing, the more I think they are filled with shit.

4: Online: I've never been really big on online but once in a while, I do get into it. I was keen to try out games like LBP2, Motorstorm:A and Uncharted 3. Whilst I don't think hacking can really affect LBP2 (not sure what could be achieved by this) but competetive games like M:A and uncharted 3 can suffer, how safe are those games?

5:  From what I understand, game developers have some means of countering piracy such as disc reading, supposedly, aspects of the game won't work unless it can read the presence of a disc or I once heard of a failsafe on Batman:AA where if a disc isn't read, Batman instantly suicides amongst other stories, my question is: Why aren't developers more proactive in countering this? Is it because there are no effective methods or what's the deal?



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Ajescent said:

1: what can a hacked psp do that a normal psp can't? I hear people say "Oh I can do a lot of things with my psp" what I want to know is- what? with the exception of playing pirated games or emulating other consoles, there's really nothing added I can think of.

Run great applications like CXMB which allows you to replace your stock XMB with something like this. This is one of my favorite things to fool around with on the PSP. I also change things like bootup animations, sounds, etc...

Or you could just browse the homebrew sites for user created PSP games or other various applications. Emulators are only one part of what it can do, plus you have to realize that most of what the scene brought to the PSP have now been incorporated into the stock PSP by SONY. Things like Web Browsing, Youtube, PS1 EBoot emulation, RSS feeding, custom themes and internet radio.

2: How safe is the psn store? I know I keep brining this up but I'm really worrying for the "one-guy-in-a-basement" developers who, after all their hard work making a game, won't get jack for it. It's easy to not feel sympathy for guys like EA and Activision but what about the little people?

I don't understand what you mean here. The PSN store is fine...

3: Everyone kept saying the only reason why Geodude and FoF hacked the ps3 was to get back linux and OtherOS, with that in mind, this is a 2 part question

A: After getting the keys, why not then find a way to return the OtherOS and leave the other parts alone instead of releasing everything out into the open?

Restoring OtherOS wasn't the reason for doing so. Restoring the ability for homebrew was the reason. It is just that the removal of Other OS is what prompted the big shift in the scene.

B: So...where exactly is the rebirth of Linux and the ressurection of the OtherOS? Because all we seem to hear about is games getting pirated and online getting hacked. The less I hear about Linux and OtherOS resurfacing, the more I think they are filled with shit.

It isn't said that they opened up the PS3 to get Linux back. They said they opened it up because Linux was removed. Two different things actually.

Linux allowed homebrew to run on the PS3 when booted into Other OS, so with that there was no incentive for most homebrew devs to even attempt to crack it. With it removed however they gained a real good reason to do so.

4: Online: I've never been really big on online but once in a while, I do get into it. I was keen to try out games like LBP2, Motorstorm:A and Uncharted 3. Whilst I don't think hacking can really affect LBP2 (not sure what could be achieved by this) but competetive games like M:A and uncharted 3 can suffer, how safe are those games?

SONY will have ways to find out who cheats and who does not, just like Microsoft does with the 360. You need to stop worrying so much just because MW2 has hacks. MW2 had that problem on 360 a long time ago and guess what? People still play it and enjoy the hell out of it and the cheaters get banned.

5:  From what I understand, game developers have some means of countering piracy such as disc reading, supposedly, aspects of the game won't work unless it can read the presence of a disc or I once heard of a failsafe on Batman:AA where if a disc isn't read, Batman instantly suicides amongst other stories, my question is: Why aren't developers more proactive in countering this? Is it because there are no effective methods or what's the deal?

They are taking measures and that is the companies talking about selling you a game and then you need to download the rest of it. This came before the news of PS3 being hacked. They also are coming with these Online passes too.

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1. The only worthwhile homebrew I've heard of for the PSP are the emulators for other consoles, like NES and SNES.

2. Not sure what they can do to protect games and content on the PSN store. We'll have to wait add see.

3. Although failoverflow stated that their sole reason for hacking the PS3 was to restore OtherOS, it's quite obvious that they did it mainly for the attention it bought to them, and the recognition. Geohot on the other hand, had been trying to hack the PS3 long before the removal of OtherOS. His intentions have always been to open the PS3 entirely to allow for homebrew.

4. Hopefully Sony will somehow be able to identify the people running custom firmware on their PS3s, and console ban those machines from every accessing PSN again.

5. "Why aren't developers more proactive in countering this?" Up until now, they didn't have to worry about piracy on the PS3, so they didn't bother to include any anti-piracy measures. However, now we may start seeing developers implement some of these methods if Sony can't get things under control.



I think most of these have been answered fully, except for #1. There are actually a lot of great little applications that the PSP can run, aside from emulators. Specifically things like a screenshot tool, cheat devices that also allow you to load saves from PS1 memory card formats (especially great if you have a dexdrive like me, and transfer your PS1 saves to your PSP.), little tools like battery life management, etc. However emulation is the big draw of modding a PSP.



dystopia said:

I think most of these have been answered fully, except for #1. There are actually a lot of great little applications that the PSP can run, aside from emulators. Specifically things like a screenshot tool, cheat devices that also allow you to load saves from PS1 memory card formats (especially great if you have a dexdrive like me, and transfer your PS1 saves to your PSP.), little tools like battery life management, etc. However emulation is the big draw of modding a PSP.


I could have showed all of those but I am not sure if VGC wants links to threads I have made in the past that contain hundreds of homebrew PSP applications as well as emulators.

You are right though, I used to love CW Cheat back in the day. I hated that unlike the GBA, GB, DS, PS2, etc... I never had a cheat device for the PSP and also now with the PS3. I always liked using them when replaying RPGs.



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I use PSP plugins for: swapping the X and O buttons in the OS because that's what JP games have gotten me used to and it's awkward right now on the PS3 (why enable JP language support without swapping the buttons for it >_>); taking screenshots; power save; the mentioned CXMB. I'd use the save state one if it worked on the 1000s, because there are way too many games on the PSP, not to mention PS1 games, with save points way too infrequent for a portable.

Store... a quick google has links to psn psp/minis piracy. Don't know if that spells trouble for the PS3 PSN titles though.

Online... not big on it either. Though Sony seems to ban people very rarely, even for cheating (plenty of complains about that on forums). Maybe they'll have to tighten up the moderation.



Euphoria14 said:
dystopia said:

I think most of these have been answered fully, except for #1. There are actually a lot of great little applications that the PSP can run, aside from emulators. Specifically things like a screenshot tool, cheat devices that also allow you to load saves from PS1 memory card formats (especially great if you have a dexdrive like me, and transfer your PS1 saves to your PSP.), little tools like battery life management, etc. However emulation is the big draw of modding a PSP.


I could have showed all of those but I am not sure if VGC wants links to threads I have made in the past that contain hundreds of homebrew PSP applications as well as emulators.

I agree, that would probably get you banned. But the point is, there are actually a lot of really useful homebrew apps besides emulators, most people just aren't going to be aware of them.



dystopia said:
Euphoria14 said:
dystopia said:

I think most of these have been answered fully, except for #1. There are actually a lot of great little applications that the PSP can run, aside from emulators. Specifically things like a screenshot tool, cheat devices that also allow you to load saves from PS1 memory card formats (especially great if you have a dexdrive like me, and transfer your PS1 saves to your PSP.), little tools like battery life management, etc. However emulation is the big draw of modding a PSP.


I could have showed all of those but I am not sure if VGC wants links to threads I have made in the past that contain hundreds of homebrew PSP applications as well as emulators.

I agree, that would probably get you banned. But the point is, there are actually a lot of really useful homebrew apps besides emulators, most people just aren't going to be aware of them.

They are not aware of them because the media only focuses on the negatives and from that only piracy gets the spotlight. Homebrew is in reality a very very good thing.



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Euphoria14 said:
dystopia said:
Euphoria14 said:
dystopia said:

I think most of these have been answered fully, except for #1. There are actually a lot of great little applications that the PSP can run, aside from emulators. Specifically things like a screenshot tool, cheat devices that also allow you to load saves from PS1 memory card formats (especially great if you have a dexdrive like me, and transfer your PS1 saves to your PSP.), little tools like battery life management, etc. However emulation is the big draw of modding a PSP.


I could have showed all of those but I am not sure if VGC wants links to threads I have made in the past that contain hundreds of homebrew PSP applications as well as emulators.

I agree, that would probably get you banned. But the point is, there are actually a lot of really useful homebrew apps besides emulators, most people just aren't going to be aware of them.

They are not aware of them because the media only focuses on the negatives and from that only piracy gets the spotlight. Homebrew is in reality a very very good thing.

Yeah, and I think most people probably don't realize that most pirates probably buy more software than anyone. Sure there are always a percent that buy nothing, but it's not the majority by any sense.



dystopia said:
Euphoria14 said:
dystopia said:
Euphoria14 said:
dystopia said:

I think most of these have been answered fully, except for #1. There are actually a lot of great little applications that the PSP can run, aside from emulators. Specifically things like a screenshot tool, cheat devices that also allow you to load saves from PS1 memory card formats (especially great if you have a dexdrive like me, and transfer your PS1 saves to your PSP.), little tools like battery life management, etc. However emulation is the big draw of modding a PSP.


I could have showed all of those but I am not sure if VGC wants links to threads I have made in the past that contain hundreds of homebrew PSP applications as well as emulators.

I agree, that would probably get you banned. But the point is, there are actually a lot of really useful homebrew apps besides emulators, most people just aren't going to be aware of them.

They are not aware of them because the media only focuses on the negatives and from that only piracy gets the spotlight. Homebrew is in reality a very very good thing.

Yeah, and I think most people probably don't realize that most pirates probably buy more software than anyone. Sure there are always a percent that buy nothing, but it's not the majority by any sense.

Nobody will believe you though, even though that holds a lot of truth. I've said for a while that the claims of what piracy does to hurt the industry is overblown.

Not saying I support it fully, even though I have done my fair share, but I just think people need to keep more of an open mind on things.



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