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openoffice fot the win!! awesome product and free. Anything microsoft have there's always a better (and free) version out there hence why they buy out people because it hurts their cashflow. Oh how the mighty will fall.



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ThePS3News said:

Its good to see M$ finally going down the garbage where they belong. I just recently bought stock for SCE (Sony Computer Entertainment) and i am happy to say that i am confident of my purchase of stock. 

Google >Bing

PS3 >360

Android/Xpehira >Windows phone

MAC >PC

Sony/Apple > M$

PC is better than MAC and X360 is better than PS3.  This is IMO of course. Your first sentence shows how bias to Sony you really are. Stop trying to troll!



 How our favorite systems are just like humans and sometimes have issues finding their special someone...

Xbox 360 wants to KinectPS3 wants to Move!  Why are both systems having such relationship problems?  The reason is they both become so infactuated with desire while watching the Wii as it waggles on by. They simply want what they can't have.

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supercat said:

MS for a long time has had the fortune of being a monopoly with its OS and office software, but now is being threatened in several different products areas now.  

It's phone OS is losing marketshare to Android hand over foot and so is the Iphone.  Already, we have Android netbooks, as android is smaller/cheaper/ faster than the netbook version of windows.  Soon, MS will be losing more marketshare with its phones and netbooks, not good. 

Also, it is losing marketshare with its biggest cash cow, MS Office to OpenOffice.  OpenOffice is still fairly small in the US but it's gaining, most importantly b/c it is free and well made.

 

Also, its browser is losing marketshare, as the android OS is gaining so will Chrome (on netbooks for now anyway).  

 

Sell your miscrosoft stock, it ain't going up!

TBH this is a great time to have stock in Microsoft. Windows 7 is the fastest selling OS, X360 had its greatest sales year EVER, Kinect sold nearly 8 million units in 1st 2 months, WP7 seems to have good word of mouth and is a good phone OS, Xbox LIVE brings in tons of money from subscriptions and downloadable content,movies etc. & bing is of to a decent start and is not a bad first go for a search engine by any means.

 

All in all there is more reasons to buy stock in Microsoft right now and less reasons to sell your stock.



 How our favorite systems are just like humans and sometimes have issues finding their special someone...

Xbox 360 wants to KinectPS3 wants to Move!  Why are both systems having such relationship problems?  The reason is they both become so infactuated with desire while watching the Wii as it waggles on by. They simply want what they can't have.

 Official member of the Xbox 360 Squad

Despite not thinking MS is d0med (yet), it's true that increasing capabilities of smartphones and other small portable devices, where Windows CE/Mobile is weaker than most competitors, is doing what the first underpowered Linux netbooks couldn't (also due to incredibly poorly chosen and taylored distros back then): undermining MS Windows and Office power, not competing on PC, where MS is almost unbeatable, but marginalizing the pure Windows PC market by building around it a larger market that doesn't use MS formats and SW. This way, Linux and OpenOffice, despite being a minority on PC, become a part of the majority when it comes to what document formats are used. The first effect is visible in the web browser market share, IE dropped below 50% on PC, and it won't be able to recover anymore, as web browsing is one of the most widespread activities on non-PC devices, so, thanks God, the use of MS proprietary formats and HTML extensions on the web will be more and more counterproductive for web sites, undermining the base of IE power. The same will happen, just slower, for user generated documents, undermining MS Office. MS won't die, but it will finally have to do its best, like it's already forced to do with XB360 and Kinect, to compete. The time of resting on its laurels and monopolies is over.

BTW this explains while there are so many rabid MS astroturfers unleashed around the net, Ballmer must be even more furious than usual.   



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cory.ok said:
slowmo said:
cory.ok said:

their os is going downhill too, they are already palying catchup with ubuntu, and ubuntu is coded by community and distributed for free.  now that we have reached the physical limit in the amount of transistors that we can add to one board computer components will drop in price a lot faster than they have been in recent times.  predictions have been that windows will start to be 15-20% of the cost of all computer within the next few year (it already is ~20% the cost of most computers sold).

when that happens theres a lot of predictions saying linux will reclaim a lot of territory that windows had taken from them


Ubuntu making inroads, Seriously???  I've heard this crap for 10 years and I still don't see these big inroads happening.  Vista was a chance for Os's like Ubuntu to make their move, it just didn't happen (and in Ubuntu's case likely never will).


in the last 8 years it has seen growth in 92 of 96 months.  you know what also didnt happen during vista? people using it.  during vistas peak marketshare (of about 18%) windows xp had about 70% marketshare still.  infact windows xp marketshare never fell below 70% until after windows 7 released (and is still about 50% lol)  microsofts os buisness hasnt been going good

I gather you don't understand why businesses are slow to migrate from a secure mature platform to a new one hence why Windows XP is still used.  All I can say on your growth stats is the 4 months it didn't grow must have been some drop offs because Ubuntu really isn't making inroads at all.



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DirtyP2002 said:

Ohh one of these threads again. There is always something that threatens Microsoft I guess. Great to have the netbooks back. People told me that netbooks would really hurt MS, because they are taking away market share of Notebooks and Windows would be too expensive to run on those cheap netbooks.

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/D22A33B802C06210CC257569007A07FF

One month later, MS announces a 96% market share for Windows on netbooks.

http://www.eclecticelectronics.net/news/microsoft-claims-96-market-share-for-netbooks/

 

MS just posted a ALL-TIME high on revenue and profit. Windows and Office are not going anywhere, especially with Windows 7 being the fastest selling OS in the history of computers.

Look at it this way: the markets you mentioned (phone) and the markets MS is not leading right now (search, gaming) are bets and only have the purpose to expand their businesses. Imagine the next Xbox being the leader for the next gen and crashin the competition like the Wii does right now. The EDD alone could be as big as whole Nintendo. That might give you a different view on things.

8 million Kinect users 16 million paying Xbox Live users is nothing but spectacular. So gaming is actually a market where MS is heavily expanding.

Let's see how Windows Mobile keeps performing.

In a word: MS is in fantastic shape (profit and revenue on a historic HIGH) and there are chances to expand even further, while nothing will ever kill the fundament MS is building up on (Windows, Office, Server).


Totally agree with you...apart from the MS Server bit.  Linux rules the web server roost and linux servers are rapidly making headway in government and private sectors from US Defence and the Navy Submarine Fleets to the biggest companies in the world, there is even a rumour that MS uses linux servers.

The frontend will always be Windows 7 or any Windows Workstation, but the backend widely used and growing is Linux.

The developing countries (and wanna be superpowers) in Asia are all looking to be technological independent from the US and are developing their own processors and OSes based on different flavours of desktop linux.

MS will most likely rule the West for a long time and make lots more money but in the end when these nations finally develope their own systems  - however far ahead in the future that may be, national pride and the sheer numbers of people in Asia will make linux based systems the top dog...if all goes to plan.



LordMatrix said:

PC is better than MAC and X360 is better than PS3.  This is IMO of course. Your first sentence shows how bias to Sony you really are. Stop trying to troll!

Oh chillax, he's been banned for that comment already.



Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!

Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

slowmo said:
cory.ok said:
slowmo said:
cory.ok said:

their os is going downhill too, they are already palying catchup with ubuntu, and ubuntu is coded by community and distributed for free.  now that we have reached the physical limit in the amount of transistors that we can add to one board computer components will drop in price a lot faster than they have been in recent times.  predictions have been that windows will start to be 15-20% of the cost of all computer within the next few year (it already is ~20% the cost of most computers sold).

when that happens theres a lot of predictions saying linux will reclaim a lot of territory that windows had taken from them


Ubuntu making inroads, Seriously???  I've heard this crap for 10 years and I still don't see these big inroads happening.  Vista was a chance for Os's like Ubuntu to make their move, it just didn't happen (and in Ubuntu's case likely never will).


in the last 8 years it has seen growth in 92 of 96 months.  you know what also didnt happen during vista? people using it.  during vistas peak marketshare (of about 18%) windows xp had about 70% marketshare still.  infact windows xp marketshare never fell below 70% until after windows 7 released (and is still about 50% lol)  microsofts os buisness hasnt been going good

I gather you don't understand why businesses are slow to migrate from a secure mature platform to a new one hence why Windows XP is still used.  All I can say on your growth stats is the 4 months it didn't grow must have been some drop offs because Ubuntu really isn't making inroads at all.

I totally agree that the most dangerous attacks to MS won't come from Ubuntu. Some are already happening, some others are only delayed compared to when MS feared they'd have started (for example, consoles being able to totally replace home theatre PCs). Finally, most are totally unknown except by those that are preparing them.

About MS succeeding on PC due to competitors' ineptitude: true about financial management, true regarding some products, but false about some other products, Office and its single parts for example defeated far better office suites and single products, Word 6 was the worst, buggiest and most bloated word processor of its times, but survived to better competitors (and to Word 2 competition itself) just thanks to MS brute force. Not to mention that MS was fined quite a lot of times for unfair competition and it almost always preferred to pay the fines and keep on behaving unfairly, as for mysterious reasons, US legal system almost never thretened retaliations as hard as against IBM, for example. Company splitting never was a real danger for MS as it was for some years for IBM, even years after IBM ceased being a potential monopolist, as OS/2 and Smartsuite were still slowed by the fear of antitrust threats while Windows and Office were left free to kill them when MS power on PC market had already become greater than IBM's for years.



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trasharmdsister12 said:
huaxiong90 said:
LordMatrix said:

PC is better than MAC and X360 is better than PS3.  This is IMO of course. Your first sentence shows how bias to Sony you really are. Stop trying to troll!

Oh chillax, he's been banned for that comment already.

No! Keep fighting fire with fire! That's sure to put out the fire.

Oh yes, it looks like Microsoft's performance is making haters silent indeed.



Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!

Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

Hmm, I thought that the announcement of their Windows Media box, and their ARM Windows 8 / Phone 8 unifications whilst difficult could end up as potentially strong growth areas.



Tease.