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badgenome said:
heruamon said:
badgenome said:

I have to wonder how exactly your drawing such a comparison is not an example of incivility you supposedly deplore. Are you inured to the ridiculousness of it because Kos runs around screaming, "American Taliban! American Taliban!"?

It's funny how the guy who tried to shoot up the Florida school board leaves an extensive list of links to left wing sites at the bottom of his suicide note, and very little was made of it in the media. But when a Communist Manifesto-loving Anti-Flag fan shoots a bunch of people, it's CLEARLY Sarah Palin's fault.

Wait...you are saying Clay Duke was a liberal...lol...nice one.

Well, he did link to these sites right before he went out and tried to shoot people (and failed miserably):

   http://metanoia-films.org/index.php

   http://www.theprogressivemind.info/

   http://www.axisoflogic.com/

   http://carolynbaker.net/

   http://www.accountabilitycircle.org/

   http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com

   http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml

   http://mediamatters.org/

   http://www.medialens.org/

   http://redpill8.blogspot.com/

   http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Disinfopedia

   http://www.stoplying.ca/

   http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/

   http://luvsite.org/natsec.html

   http://www.wearechange.org/

   http://wikileaks.indymedia.org/mirrors.html

Is that to say Julian Assange and George Soros are to blame? Of course not. It would be a real reach to suggest such a thing. Almost as much as a reach as blaming the Tea Party for what happened in Arizona.

"Well, he did link to these sites right before he went out and tried to shoot people (and failed miserably):

Exactly, as you need to be a tea party-inspired extremist to kill 6 innocent people.

 



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This is the world of polotics.... Retarded..... Its the stupid tea party.... Watch the shooters videos.... PEOPLE ARE STUPID....... GIVE HIM THE CHAIR



heruamon said:

"Well, he did link to these sites right before he went out and tried to shoot people (and failed miserably):

Exactly, as you need to be a tea party-inspired extremist to kill 6 innocent people.

Piss weak, as neither you nor anyone else has presented as single shred of evidence that Jared Loughner was in any way, shape, or form associated with or inspired by the tea party.

But hey. Go on believing the "other side" is all bad and your side is all good for all I care. Talking with you is a waste of time if all you can do when proven wrong about something is ignore the argument, shut your eyes, and cling all the tighter to your beliefs (which is, by the way, textbook behavior for an extremist).



It's perfectly viable to tie assassins to political groups, but assassins, unless bound to a conspiracy, tend to be deranged by nature, so no-one can really take responsibility for them one way or another. The only clear alignment this guy had was libertarian, with attachments to both Left Libertarianism (Anarchism) and Right Libertarianism (i don't think there's an ism here? Ayn Randism?)

 

Though the whackos of the radical right (which is a very tiny faction far alienated from the right itself) are at least more prone to successful acts of violence than their counterparts on the left in the USA, at least since the 80s or so.



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badgenome said:
heruamon said:

"Well, he did link to these sites right before he went out and tried to shoot people (and failed miserably):

Exactly, as you need to be a tea party-inspired extremist to kill 6 innocent people.

Piss weak, as neither you nor anyone else has presented as single shred of evidence that Jared Loughner was in any way, shape, or form associated with or inspired by the tea party.

But hey. Go on believing the "other side" is all bad and your side is all good for all I care. Talking with you is a waste of time if all you can do when proven wrong about something is ignore the argument, shut your eyes, and cling all the tighter to your beliefs (which is, by the way, textbook behavior for an extremist).


You said it, great post



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Mr Khan said:

It's perfectly viable to tie assassins to political groups, but assassins, unless bound to a conspiracy, tend to be deranged by nature, so no-one can really take responsibility for them one way or another. The only clear alignment this guy had was libertarian, with attachments to both Left Libertarianism (Anarchism) and Right Libertarianism (i don't think there's an ism here? Ayn Randism?)

 

Though the whackos of the radical right (which is a very tiny faction far alienated from the right itself) are at least more prone to successful acts of violence than their counterparts on the left in the USA, at least since the 80s or so.

Given that favorite books are the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf, I don't think he's much of a libertarian or objectivist, and since the authorities are investigating ties he might have had to anti-semitic groups, I especially doubt he's a fan of Ayn Rand (who was no anarchist, btw).

I agree, though, and think there's far too much emphasis on Louhgner's political ramblings. The person he most reminds me of is Cho-seung Hui. They both are/were losers who fell through the cracks and seemed to have a lot of pent up frustration and disappointment which they then externalized and directed at the people around them. Both had problems with teachers and authority figures, and students complained about both seeming creepy and potentially dangerous. Just because Loughner's rants have a political bent - incoherent as it may be - doesn't preclude mental illness from being the driving force here, just as it was with Hui.



Mr Khan said:

It's perfectly viable to tie assassins to political groups, but assassins, unless bound to a conspiracy, tend to be deranged by nature, so no-one can really take responsibility for them one way or another. The only clear alignment this guy had was libertarian, with attachments to both Left Libertarianism (Anarchism) and Right Libertarianism (i don't think there's an ism here? Ayn Randism?)

 

Though the whackos of the radical right (which is a very tiny faction far alienated from the right itself) are at least more prone to successful acts of violence than their counterparts on the left in the USA, at least since the 80s or so.


I'm not sure that is true ...

When you look at acts of eco-terrorism, and the (often destructive) protests of the left, you will notice that as many dangerous individuals; and the primary difference is that the media portrays these groups as outsiders of mainstream liberal ideologies, while they (sometimes) try to tie the outrageous acts of "right-wing wackos" to mainstream conservative ideologies.



badgenome said:

Piss weak, as neither you nor anyone else has presented as single shred of evidence that Jared Loughner was in any way, shape, or form associated with or inspired by the tea party.

Read his online postings.  He was concerned with "illiterante voters not being able to read the Constitiion and politicians passing treasonous laws."  Thats the Tea Party line right there.

Why don't you do America a favor and move to the Middle East and live with your conservative kind?



ManusJustus said:
badgenome said:

Piss weak, as neither you nor anyone else has presented as single shred of evidence that Jared Loughner was in any way, shape, or form associated with or inspired by the tea party.

Read his online postings.  He was concerned with "illiterante voters not being able to read the Constitiion and politicians passing treasonous laws."  Thats the Tea Party line right there.

Why don't you do America a favor and move to the Middle East and live with your conservative kind?

Oh my fucking Christ.

I'm sure heruamon appreciates your attempt to make his posts look well thought out.



Well, at least in the US some of the libertarian types sound sane. Here they are mostly wacko brainwashed psychopaths.

Libertarianism had its shot in the 19th century, and it failed miserably. It's a terrible and destructive ideology.



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