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SaviorX said:
ethomaz said:
SaviorX said:

The PS2 shipped 143.15m 150.49m as of September 2010. Since the 1st week of September to Dec. 25th, VGC says it sold 1.6m

Odds are, the DS and PS2 are tied right now, and the DS will pass it NEXT week. :P

Fixed.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=115962

 

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 27th Sep 2009 to 25th Dec 2010:

 

Console PS2
Total
5,903,638

140 5.9m = 145.9m sold; ~147m shipped.

Nope.

150.49m shipped... that's the official number from Sony financial for 30th September.

Now I can see more 2-3m shipped for 31th December... so ~153m shipped.



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The numers for the PS2 are still innacurate and haven't been tracked in a long time so It hasn't outsold the PS2 yet. It doesn't matter anyways, PS2 is the greatest console ever made.



ghost_of_fazz said:

Just a quick comment for those who say the DS can't be compared with the PS2 because many people buy multiple DS's: The PS2 had a quite high failure rate. Lots of people owned at least two units, and then you add those who updated to Slim units...

In fact, every person I know who ever had a PS2, bought at least two of them. Same applies to the Xbox 360, which had a very high failure rate AND an update.


The issue of multiple buys is not founded on lost hand helds or broken consoles and upgrades because they probably cancel each other out or come close to. The issue is that with a handheld there is only one player per handheld. If there is a family with three children, one console is purchased with 3 controllers and 3 handhelds are purchased for each child. Contributing to this is also the price discrepancy in which on average for most of a generation the handheld is less than half the cost of a console so people are more willing to purchase multiple handhaelds. Generally a household will not have more than 1 console from a given brand. But many households have multiple hand helds.  



Khuutra said:
kitler53 said:
Khuutra said:

The element that you're missing is that theorizing concerning the reason behind handheld sales trends does little to reflect the reality of it: the original Gameboy sold about 100 million units over the course of 12 years, and the GBA sold about 80 million. Both were outsold by the PS1 and PS2, and both will eventually be outsold by the Wii. The DS is the first handheld ever to sell as well as the PS2, much less better.

Whether or not it seems like this should be passe, it isn't, because it is unprecedented in the handheld space.

=why compare the GB (118M) to the PS2(~150M) when chronologically the GB is much closer to the NES(61M) which it pales in comparison to.  in compariable time periods...the DS is NOT the first handheld to outsell it's console counter-part hence the relative lack of excitedment. 

it's a great milestone mind you but unprecedented...please.

Remind me how many major hardware revisions the GB went through and how many generations it took to hit those numbers? I believe it was two on the first, TWO AND A HALF on the second?

"The Game Boy and Game Boy Color combined have sold 118.69 million units worldwide, with 32.47 million units in Japan, 44.06 million in the Americas, and 42.16 million in other regions. By Japanese fiscal year 1997, before Game Boy Color's release in late-1998, the Game Boy alone had sold 64.42 million units worldwide. [16][17]"

so the original GB (64M) sold more than the NES (62M) without any revisions.

and btw the NES wasn't discontinued until 2003 so it was on the market for 18 years.

one last thing...

     

...not exactly short on revisions are we?

again, DS has had an amazing run.  full props to it.  still not unpresedented.



kitler53 said:

"The Game Boy and Game Boy Color combined have sold 118.69 million units worldwide, with 32.47 million units in Japan, 44.06 million in the Americas, and 42.16 million in other regions. By Japanese fiscal year 1997, before Game Boy Color's release in late-1998, the Game Boy alone had sold 64.42 million units worldwide. [16][17]"

so the original GB (64M) sold more than the NES (62M) without any revisions.

and btw the NES wasn't discontinued until 2003 so it was on the market for 18 years.

one last thing...

...not exactly short on revisions are we?

again, DS has had an amazing run.  full props to it.  still not unpresedented.

The NES wasn't discontinued in Japan until 2003, but it was discontinued almost everywhere else long before, and it wasn't an actual sales force for over a decade before that.

It took eight years for Game Boy to hit NES numbers; the DS has more than double those in six, and may end up tripling them before it's all said and done. The speed and volume of sales for the DS are unprecedented, as is the fact of it outselling the PS2, which is unprecedented in the context of videogame-specific hardware period.

And for the record, the Game Boy Pocket came out in 1996.



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I think handhelds and home consoles should be in categories all by themselves.  Heck, VGC seems to think so, too. 

Of course this is in no way to try and downgrade the DS's numbers, because that would just be foolish and bias.  The DS numbers are incredible.  But when you actually take a step back and look at it, it just seems silly to compare the 2.  Here's my thoughts anyway.

1. The DS is just way more accessible.  You have everything you need when you purchase the console.  No TV's, no wires, and no real extra space needed for consoles and controllers.  This is probably why the handheld is much more popular in Japan than home consoles, considering their smaller living spaces.  And gaming on the go has always had appeal with children of all ages.

2. The price is a major contributor.  At launch, the PS2 was $299 ($381 by today's standards).  The DS, on the other hand, was half that price at launch, $149 (though less than half by todays standards, $174).  Lol, I don't think I need to explain this one further.

3.  And another important factor, the gaming market has expanded.  The PS2 (as well as the PS1) helped increase the popularity and the audience for gaming.  The DS was able to benefit quite a bit from this expanded popularity and audience, as it came out 4 years after the launch of the PS2. 

Again, this isn't to say DS's numbrs are crap because it had many things in its favor, because they aren't.  Just illustrating it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.



ethomaz said:

Official numbers...

Before 2007: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_e.html
After 2007: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_sale_e.html

Over 150 million sold at 30th September.


If you're adding production shipments and shipments, you're double counting units.  PS2 hasn't shipped over 150m yet.



ghost_of_fazz said:

Just a quick comment for those who say the DS can't be compared with the PS2 because many people buy multiple DS's: The PS2 had a quite high failure rate. Lots of people owned at least two units, and then you add those who updated to Slim units...

In fact, every person I know who ever had a PS2, bought at least two of them. Same applies to the Xbox 360, which had a very high failure rate AND an update.


Well, now you know someone that didnt, I only got 1 ps2 since 2003, and I know plenty people who only have had only one. 

As for the DS outselling the ps2, I think its a great achievement, but we also have to consider the growth of the market since then, and the great amount of marketshare the ps2 had against 2 other consoles. For this to not turn into a fanboy war its necesary to admit the merits of both system which have sold amazing for their respective times.



jarrod said:
ethomaz said:

Official numbers...

Before 2007: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_e.html
After 2007: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_sale_e.html

Over 150 million sold at 30th September.


If you're adding production shipments and shipments, you're double counting units.  PS2 hasn't shipped over 150m yet.

No. Sony officially announced months ago the PS2 breaking the 150m.

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/05/19/playstation-2-surpasses-unimaginable-150-million-units-milestone/



You can't compare a home console to a handheld portable device! It's different territory. Not to mention the differences between the DS and the DSi. One can argue it's kind of unfair to count them together as the DSi has exclusive games making it a partially different device.