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ugg mike b has taken this thread again

Mike you cannot post crap from insomniac, sorry but lets like me posting stuff from bioware or another pro MS developer on how fantastic the 360 is over the ps3



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
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@ Lost tears of Kain

Insomniac was talking with regard to the PS3 (not 360) and what they stated actually makes perfect sense, it's actually similar as to what I stated a few years ago with regard to Cell design and its potential.

Please cut out on the cheapshots and instead try to add something of value. Like expaining why you think platform A to be more powerful than platform B, I don't mind anyone thinking the Wii is most powerful technically if written in a respectful manner. It would be useful to know why for example the 360 is more powerful for this topic.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

In the end, it all comes down what games people want to play. Ouch for Sony when Lego Star Wars 2, a cheap third party game on Xbox 360, has outsold most of their "big" first party games.



Having more floating point operations is definitely waaaaaaay better in terms of speed (while they are generally harder to program), and while the Xbox 360 is capable of more vector operations - which it make it easier for the programmer but are almost 2 times slower - at the end of the day the PS3 will just do everything faster.
I must also add to confuse things, the Xbox360 does have a better graphic card. Personally I think that would make the graphics to be the same or similar for the 2 consoles, with PS3 capable of better physics or lighting. But that is just a feeling at this point and not proven.



MikeB said:
@ Lost tears of Kain

Insomniac was talking with regard to the PS3 (not 360) and what they stated actually makes perfect sense, it's actually similar as to what I stated a few years ago with regard to Cell design and its potential.

Please cut out on the cheapshots and instead try to add something of value. Like expaining why you think platform A to be more powerful than platform B, I don't mind anyone thinking the Wii is most powerful technically if written in a respectful manner. It would be useful to know why for example the 360 is more powerful for this topic.

I dont, i think the ps3 is more powerful (360 has some things better).

Im stating use some evidence that doesnt have developers who are pro platform talking about how great that platform is.

Like your sig about mark rein, you understand he stated these things because Sony paid for exclusive release?



                 With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B   

Proud supporter of all 3 console companys

Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp              

Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.

Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
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@ eugene

Ouch for Sony when Lego Star Wars 2, a cheap third party game on Xbox 360, has outsold most of their "big" first party games.


What? I thought the XBox 360 had a year and 5 month headstart for the most of the world to built up an larger install base and didn't Lego Star Wars II receive various Awards like from IGN: Best PC Action Game of 2006 and BAFTA Best Gameplay award, amongst other awards?

But I don't think the game is going to outsell the most anticipated games coming to the PS3.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

The only thing that matters is price and support of the console manufacturer. The 360 is cheaper and has unsurpassed service after the sale. They also have an extensive library of games and a great online component. Most (if not all) of the good games are on the system. I was not impressed with any of the MGS series (except for the Psychomantis part where you had to switch controllers to fight him. That was innovative.) so don't bring that up. There is no reason to pick up the PS3 over the 360. Now if you are stacked with cash you can't spend, then in addition to your 360 the PS3 would be OK just so you could get the Sony exclusives.



@ gorgepir

I must also add to confuse things, the Xbox360 does have a better graphic card.


The RSX (G71 based, but there are significant differences, especially with regard Cell communication) offers more raw performance, it can perform more total shader ops per second.

Differences with the G71:

Beyond3D:

"While the RSX might have some parts removed compared to the G71, such as its PureVideo technology, transistor count is likely balanced back by having more redundancy and larger caches: indeed, we believe that most of the RSX's internal caches are larger compared to any G7x part, including the post-vertex transform cache and compression caches. In addition to its normal 48KiB of texture cache to its local memory, it also has an extra 96KiB of cache dedicated to communication with the XDR memory pool, in order to improve bandwidth utilization and average latency, and make it possible to use that memory pool for texturing operations - resulting in greater overall system bandwidth utilization."

The RSX was designed to go hand in hand with the Cell and will be used as a combo in other future products, like planned by Toshiba.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

While I see your point regarding the cache, I would rather have a more powerful graphic card than a card with higher cache. The higher cache you talk about will not turn into more shader ops simply because the graphic card in the PS3 cannot produce as much as the Xbox360. The Xbox360 cards cache is sufficient for what it needs to do.
Only when you try to use the SPAs in PS3 as a graphic card can you balance this out. Still it seems the Xbox360 graphic card is more powerful.

You have 37 million transistors more on the Xbox360 graphic card. 



Graphics-wise the 360’s Xenos GPU and the PS3’s RSX are fairly different in implementation, but end up being very similar in performance. Treating Xenos as a 24-pipe R420, it could be quite competitive with a 24-pipe RSX despite a lower clock speed. The unified shader architecture of the Xenos GPU will offer an advantage in the majority of games today where we aren’t very geometry limited. The free 4X AA support offered by Xenos is also extremely useful in a console, especially when hooked up to a large TV.

Simply put, Xbox 360 games should be capable of better texture, while PS3 graphics could be better for pixel-shaders. When I said I thought Xbox360 s graphic card was better was I thought maybe textures were more important for a game.