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Immortal said:
Pineapple said:

I don't know if the Wii will beat the DS next year. This year, the DS will sell 21-point-something and the Wii 18-point-something. The Wii is likely to see a small drop next year, to 14-18 million. Let's say 16 million for the ease of it.

Is that impossible for the DS? It's likely to see a price reduction at some point next year, so I'd definitely say that it isn't. It's also getting another main-line Pokemon game releasing for it, and that should help sustain its sales.

The GBA had one of its biggest years after the DS launched. I don't see why the DS shouldn't be able to do the same with the 3DS.

I'd also say it's unlikely that the 3DS will sell as much as the DS next year, though. It has some fierce competition from the DS.

Wii = DS > 3DS seems more likely to me. The rest of your prediction seems fine, though.

Are you sure? I see Wii being at about 19.5m and DS around 22m. A price cut and good software (Pokemon BW > all, but that's besides the point since there's been three main games and countless spinoffs on the DS already) are imminent for both consoles next year. Except Wii will get a lot more support and won't have a successor out. I really can't see DS doing very well next year, especially since most of what's known about on 3DS already shrieks "DS, but better".

I think a Nintendo DS price drop to 99 dollars would do wonders. I think "under 100 dollars" is a sweet spot for quite a lot of people.

Pokemon Black/White isn't going to move a lot of DSes in itself. But it's going to keep the DS popular, in the sense that there is still plenty of software labeled "Nintendo DS" that sells loads. The DS hasn't really had new games for years, and it still sold like cupcakes. The evergreen titles on the DS are far more evergreen than the Wii titles. The only Wii title near the evergreen-ness of top the DS evergreens is Mario Kart Wii. And that even started dipping below Mario Kart DS before the bundle.

The DS is fine without new software. The Wii isn't. Next year, Nintendo's focus is going to be the 3DS. Neither of the two are going to get much attention. That's a larger loss for the Wii than for the DS. In addition, the DS is more likely to have a pricecut. The only thing speaking in the Wii's advantage is the 3DS launching, and I'm not sure how much that is going to affect it, as they're going to be in completely different priceranges.

I'd personally go for DS 18 million, Wii 16 million. The 3DS is going to end quite a lot lower that. It starts 4 million behind the other two due to its late launch, for instance. I have a feeling the 3DS is going to see the same kind of supply issues the Wii did, too. I'd guess 10-12 million sold.

 



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Hmmmm I think many peope are underestimating 3DS this thing is not only going to appeal to 'the broader audience" but also (MUCH more than the current ds-line) to the hardcore. Nintendo is going to sell every 3DS they ship. I think the anticipation for this product is very high.



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Pineapple said:

I think a Nintendo DS price drop to 99 dollars would do wonders. I think "under 100 dollars" is a sweet spot for quite a lot of people.

Pokemon Black/White isn't going to move a lot of DSes in itself. But it's going to keep the DS popular, in the sense that there is still plenty of software labeled "Nintendo DS" that sells loads. The DS hasn't really had new games for years, and it still sold like cupcakes. The evergreen titles on the DS are far more evergreen than the Wii titles. The only Wii title near the evergreen-ness of top the DS evergreens is Mario Kart Wii. And that even started dipping below Mario Kart DS before the bundle.

The DS is fine without new software. The Wii isn't. Next year, Nintendo's focus is going to be the 3DS. Neither of the two are going to get much attention. That's a larger loss for the Wii than for the DS. In addition, the DS is more likely to have a pricecut. The only thing speaking in the Wii's advantage is the 3DS launching, and I'm not sure how much that is going to affect it, as they're going to be in completely different priceranges.

I'd personally go for DS 18 million, Wii 16 million. The 3DS is going to end quite a lot lower that. It starts 4 million behind the other two due to its late launch, for instance. I have a feeling the 3DS is going to see the same kind of supply issues the Wii did, too. I'd guess 10-12 million sold.

 

Ugh! I made a huge post explaining my argument, but it was all drained away by my click outside of the quote window, ;(!

Anyway, I think I said that $99 will be 2012, Pokemon BW won't offset must-haves (Nintendogs, Brain Age, Mario Kart) being on 3DS, the Wii has a higher quantity of evergreens, 3DS development took away from Wii in 2010 since third parties will support 3DS next year and Nintendo can focus development on Wii since it needs it more and that 3DS will be higher because DS/Wii won't sell 4m in first two/three months of the year and because it is probably better supplied based on its "delay" and Nintendo's expectations.

I probably missed out some important details from my argument, but it's not my fault, ;P!



 

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Just to remind some of you how big DS is in Japan, some of you may have forgotten the truly epic DS numbers from the past.

March 13 - 19, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 104,452
PS2 - 66,670
Nintendo DS - 32,105
March 20 - 26, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 119,986
Nintendo DS - 39,307
PS2 - 34,169
March 27 - April 2, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 149,371
Nintendo DS - 59,903
PSP - 36,943
April 3 - 9, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 154,731
Nintendo DS - 49,825
PSP - 30,565
April 10 - 16, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 140,969
Nintendo DS - 37,204
PS2 - 27,549
April 17 - 23, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 168,809
PSP - 32,323
PS2 - 25,763
April 24 - 30, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 225,835
Nintendo DS - 42,695
PSP - 40,884
May 1 - 7, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 161,010
PSP - 37,946
PS2 - 32,030
May 8 - 14, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 91,895
PSP - 27,127
PS2 - 21,138
May 15 - 21, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 160,182
PSP - 24,457
PS2 - 20,633
May 22 - 28, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 285,025
PSP - 27,227
PS2 - 19,798
May 29 - June 4, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 135,614
PSP - 24,595
PS2 - 18,513
June 5 - 11, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 132,027
PSP - 21,656
PS2 - 18,981
June 12 - 18, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 141,487
PSP - 24,653
Nintendo DS - 22,748
June 19 - 25, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 157,022
PS2 - 25,467
PSP - 24,737
June 26 - July 2, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 153,566
PSP - 25,935
PS2 - 23,133
Nintendo DS -
July 3 - 9, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 149,454
PSP - 31,959
PS2 - 23,332
July 10 - 16, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 140,858
PSP - 35,283
PS2 - 23,927
July 17 - 23, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 262,453
PSP - 35,938
PS2 - 22,288
July 24 - 30, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 176,853
PSP - 42,604
PS2 - 26,451
July 31 - August 6, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 163,572
PSP - 49,352
PS2 - 25,987
August 7 - 13, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 196,719
PSP - 41,289
PS2 - 26,547
August 21 - 27, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 163,274
PSP - 29,945
PS2 - 21,829
August 28 - September 3, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 228,939
PSP - 27,499
PS2 - 22,703
November 13 - 19, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 128,621
PS3 - 42,099
PSP - 16,690
November 20 - 26, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 201,378
PS3 - 32,662
PSP - 30,815
November 27 - December 3, 2006
Wii - 350,358
Nintendo DS Lite - 176,901
PS3 - 31,436
December 4 - 10, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 309,630
Wii - 85,439
PS3 - 50,171
December 11 - 17, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 319,708
Wii - 108,237
PS3 - 70,942
December 18 - 24, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 485,584
Wii - 279,277
PSP - 138,588

All media create numbers. DS did 500k a month for long periods non-holiday. (only top 3 shown)



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abroZ said:

Just to remind some of you how big DS is in Japan, some of you may have forgotten the truly epic DS numbers from the past.

March 13 - 19, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 104,452
PS2 - 66,670
Nintendo DS - 32,105
March 20 - 26, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 119,986
Nintendo DS - 39,307
PS2 - 34,169
March 27 - April 2, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 149,371
Nintendo DS - 59,903
PSP - 36,943
April 3 - 9, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 154,731
Nintendo DS - 49,825
PSP - 30,565
April 10 - 16, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 140,969
Nintendo DS - 37,204
PS2 - 27,549
April 17 - 23, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 168,809
PSP - 32,323
PS2 - 25,763
April 24 - 30, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 225,835
Nintendo DS - 42,695
PSP - 40,884
May 1 - 7, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 161,010
PSP - 37,946
PS2 - 32,030
May 8 - 14, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 91,895
PSP - 27,127
PS2 - 21,138
May 15 - 21, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 160,182
PSP - 24,457
PS2 - 20,633
May 22 - 28, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 285,025
PSP - 27,227
PS2 - 19,798
May 29 - June 4, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 135,614
PSP - 24,595
PS2 - 18,513
June 5 - 11, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 132,027
PSP - 21,656
PS2 - 18,981
June 12 - 18, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 141,487
PSP - 24,653
Nintendo DS - 22,748
June 19 - 25, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 157,022
PS2 - 25,467
PSP - 24,737
June 26 - July 2, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 153,566
PSP - 25,935
PS2 - 23,133
Nintendo DS -
July 3 - 9, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 149,454
PSP - 31,959
PS2 - 23,332
July 10 - 16, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 140,858
PSP - 35,283
PS2 - 23,927
July 17 - 23, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 262,453
PSP - 35,938
PS2 - 22,288
July 24 - 30, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 176,853
PSP - 42,604
PS2 - 26,451
July 31 - August 6, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 163,572
PSP - 49,352
PS2 - 25,987
August 7 - 13, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 196,719
PSP - 41,289
PS2 - 26,547
August 21 - 27, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 163,274
PSP - 29,945
PS2 - 21,829
August 28 - September 3, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 228,939
PSP - 27,499
PS2 - 22,703
November 13 - 19, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 128,621
PS3 - 42,099
PSP - 16,690
November 20 - 26, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 201,378
PS3 - 32,662
PSP - 30,815
November 27 - December 3, 2006
Wii - 350,358
Nintendo DS Lite - 176,901
PS3 - 31,436
December 4 - 10, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 309,630
Wii - 85,439
PS3 - 50,171
December 11 - 17, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 319,708
Wii - 108,237
PS3 - 70,942
December 18 - 24, 2006
Nintendo DS Lite - 485,584
Wii - 279,277
PSP - 138,588

All media create numbers. DS did 500k a month for long periods non-holiday. (only top 3 shown)


Well, it didn't have a successor out and most of the market saturated at that point, now did it, :P? If you're talking about this leading to 3DS being big as well, I doubt anyone would disagree with you; they probably think that 3DS will be heavily supply constrained at first, which is fairly reasonable, I guess.



 

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And the thing is, DS had to prove itself back in the day. No one was sure if it would take off. 3DS doesn't have that problem, It's more of a step forward I think than the current DS was. People will eat it up, as long as Nintendo keeps making enough of these babies.



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