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So... has your opinion changed about Metroid: Other M?

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TruckOSaurus said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"Throughout the "Iwata Asks" interview there was mention of the core concept of "an NES game with the latest technology" and while I haven't played too many NES games myself, I wonder if this concept also contributed to the smaller scope of the game..."

NES games were not smaller scope. Metroid 1 is a massive game. So was Zelda1 and 2. Mario 3 is still one of the biggest platformer games ever.

Perhaps is it the perception of smaller scope that was the problem here.

I agree with you on Zelda and Mario 3 (without the whistles) but the first Metroid can be finished in 45 minutes.


Why are you assuming game completion time is the same as scope?



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There ya go.  The reason why Samus took one hit from the ice beam.  Lots of things that are "new traits" for Samus that people don't like (she even fights for the attention of guys) are actually established traits from years and years ago.  But for people who've only played the games (or only played a few games), they feel betrayed by the character that's been Samus for over a decade.  It's like somebody who watched the old Batman tv show from the 60's being pissed when they find out that Batman is actually an vengeful psychopath.  I can understand where they're coming from but they didn't have the whole story.



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d21lewis said:

There ya go.  The reason why Samus took one hit from the ice beam.  Lots of things that are "new traits" for Samus that people don't like (she even fights for the attention of guys) are actually established traits from years and years ago.  But for people who've only played the games (or only played a few games), they feel betrayed by the character that's been Samus for over a decade.  It's like somebody who watched the old Batman tv show from the 60's being pissed when they find out that Batman is actually an vengeful psychopath.  I can understand where they're coming from but they didn't have the whole story.

That reasoning I won't accept. As Khuutra likes to put it, the comic isn't part of the canon of the Metroid series or something like that.

On top of that, you have it backwards with your Batman example. The 60's show isn't the start nor the foundation of the Batman canon, it's actually in the same boat as the Metroid manga. Which means what you are trying to do here is essentially trying to convince us that the 60's Batman is the real Batman.



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RolStoppable said:
d21lewis said:

There ya go.  The reason why Samus took one hit from the ice beam.  Lots of things that are "new traits" for Samus that people don't like (she even fights for the attention of guys) are actually established traits from years and years ago.  But for people who've only played the games (or only played a few games), they feel betrayed by the character that's been Samus for over a decade.  It's like somebody who watched the old Batman tv show from the 60's being pissed when they find out that Batman is actually an vengeful psychopath.  I can understand where they're coming from but they didn't have the whole story.

That reasoning I won't accept. As Khuutra likes to put it, the comic isn't part of the canon of the Metroid series or something like that.

On top of that, you have it backwards with your Batman example. The 60's show isn't the start nor the foundation of the Batman canon, it's actually in the same boat as the Metroid manga. Which means what you are trying to do here is essentially trying to convince us that the 60's Batman is the real Batman.


60's Batman created "The Bat-Tusi" dance.  That makes him the definitive Batman.

And the manga may not be real canon.  I don't know.  Who knows what crazy shit goes on with Nintendo continuity.  All I know is that when the games weren't able to portray Samus with any sort of personality, the manga was the earliest attempts to fill in the blanks.  So, when Samus has post traumatic stress disorder, is obssessed with a baby Metroid, or something like that that's already been shown as part of her character, I'm willing to accept it a little more.



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d21lewis said:

60's Batman created "The Bat-Tusi" dance.  That makes him the definitive Batman.

And the manga may not be real canon.  I don't know.  Who knows what crazy shit goes on with Nintendo continuity.  All I know is that when the games weren't able to portray Samus with any sort of personality, the manga was the earliest attempts to fill in the blanks.  So, when Samus has post traumatic stress disorder, is obssessed with a baby Metroid, or something like that that's already been shown as part of her character, I'm willing to accept it a little more.

If that works for you, good. I chose to ignore that all those cutscenes happened.



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lestatdark said:

Nope, loved it when I got it and played and still love it now. The story fell in perfectly for a continuation of Super Metroid and it developed the character of Samus quite nicely in my opinion.

The Ridley scene was amazing, but my favourite one is when Adam goes to Sector 0


Yep pretty much this, I don't really get the whole issue with the game to be honest, I love it, my friends love it, the only complaint any of us had was the length but when we thought about other 2D Metroids their pacing was a lot faster and you could beat them within a few hours if you knew what you were doing.

People just seem really upset that they wanted retro's depiction of Samus rather than the original creators, which is normal since most of the western fans were brought in with Metroid Prime.



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MaxwellGT2000 said:

Yep pretty much this, I don't really get the whole issue with the game to be honest, I love it, my friends love it, the only complaint any of us had was the length but when we thought about other 2D Metroids their pacing was a lot faster and you could beat them within a few hours if you knew what you were doing.

People just seem really upset that they wanted retro's depiction of Samus rather than the original creators, which is normal since most of the western fans were brought in with Metroid Prime.

The biggest complaint is that people wanted a successor to Super Metroid and what they got is a game that doesn't have much in common with Metroid as a whole. Under these circumstances it would have been better to make Other M a new IP, instead of making it part of the Metroid series.

The same holds true for Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks which shouldn't have been called Zelda games and it would have benefitted everyone. Nintendo would have had some new IPs, fans of the existing franchises wouldn't have been upset that their favorites got morphed into something they shouldn't be and those who really liked those games would have liked them regardless.



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d21lewis said:
60's Batman created "The Bat-Tusi" dance.  That makes him the definitive Batman.

And the manga may not be real canon.  I don't know.  Who knows what crazy shit goes on with Nintendo continuity.  All I know is that when the games weren't able to portray Samus with any sort of personality, the manga was the earliest attempts to fill in the blanks.  So, when Samus has post traumatic stress disorder, is obssessed with a baby Metroid, or something like that that's already been shown as part of her character, I'm willing to accept it a little more.


This is not true. There were earlier semi-official comics that filled in the blanks in completely different ways. They were discarded as canon by later games in the same way Metroid Prime has been discarded recently.

Also, her characterization in Other M is not even consistent with the manga. In the manga she got over her fear of Ripley long before the events in Other M.

 

And this is ignoring the fact that the manga has been read by less than a percent of Metroid players and you weren't even given a hint of anything relating to Samus' relation to Ridley before the offending scene kicks the popular idea of Samus into the ground.

 

On topic: Nope.



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RolStoppable said:

The biggest complaint is that people wanted a successor to Super Metroid and what they got is a game that doesn't have much in common with Metroid as a whole. Under these circumstances it would have been better to make Other M a new IP, instead of making it part of the Metroid series.

The same holds true for Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks which shouldn't have been called Zelda games and it would have benefitted everyone. Nintendo would have had some new IPs, fans of the existing franchises wouldn't have been upset that their favorites got morphed into something they shouldn't be and those who really liked those games would have liked them regardless.

So there was nothing there that you felt was metroid-like? None of the changes felt welcome whatsoever?

I'm not criticizing your opinion, but I'd love to hear a more detailed account of how you would like the next game to be... assuming it's not another prime game (ie: will still be developed internally)



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