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I went on a short weekend holiday up the coast, and got back to find all these wonderful announcements. I almost hyperventilated from continual gasping. 2011 is going to be a great year for video games .



  

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Argh I forgot Dragon Age 2 and Arkham City....wow and I thought 2010 was great



Black Women Are The Most Beautiful Women On The Planet.

"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

Bong Lover said:
qmoney88 said:
Bong Lover said:
qmoney88 said:
Bong Lover said:
Vetteman94 said:
Bong Lover said:
Chibi.V.29 said:
Boutros said:

Naughty Dog: "Yes Uncharted 3 Trailer was all from in-Engine (plus) Actual Gameplay"

http://www.tqcast.com/2010/12/11/naughty-dog-yes-uncharted-3-trailer-was-all-from-in-engine-actual-gameplay/


O_O i think we can all agree this looks to be the best looking console video game ever created ^^ 

 

We can not. Against my better judgment I watched the trailer and as I suspected it looks like utter crap. Another step down the wrong path when it comes to game graphics.

The more developers try to make their games look 'realistic' the more we're served insults like this trailer. I see people drooling over the water effects. Here is a tip for you, if you play a game to watch natural looking flowing water try watching the Discovery Channel instead. The water effects there are infinitely better and will be so forever. For Christ out loud! They can't even produce a convincing model of the human body, let alone make it move like something that looks even remotely natural. Why do they keep doing this? All they are achieving is making the game look devoid of soul. Anyone who as ever actually been outside will immediately be able to see how hopelessly primitive this graphics are compared to what they are trying to model.

Photorealism like this is a GIANT waste of time. It will never ever look good, and is nothing but a distraction from the game. If the resources sunk into the graphics of this game had been used on creating a game instead it could have been amazing. Of course, actual game design is quite difficult and requires the ability to have an original thought. That is probably why they didn't bother trying that.

Yes because games like Uncharted, Halo Reach and God of War III lack things that could make it amazing because they focused so much on the graphics.  


I agree. They are basically without a single original idea. Upgraded presentation, repackaged content. The same thing that has all but killed Hollywood is now destroying gaming.

Youre right bong lover, why dont we toss nathan drake a magic staff sitting on top of a chocobo while hes busy browsing through his menus trying to figure out if he should upgrade his spellpower or that ifrit summon hes been eyeing for the past 4 experience levels... im not quite sure how much different you would like each iteration in any series to be but apparently you only play one game in a franchise and forget about it.  If every game was like crackdown, then maybe your posts would be justified but if you believe that every franchise that spawns a sequel is nearly identical to its predecessor then I feel sorry for you for being so cynical and not allowing yourself the opportunity to enjoy these games and experience the myriad of gameplay changes/additions and improvements overall that most sequels tend to receive.  Ive said this before and ill say it again, I dont think Ive ever seen a straight guy complain about women only having three entrances with which to penetrate, sure there are different positions and  techniques but at the end of the day men just want to have sex.  Despite a few exceptions, most video game series fall within these parameters in order not to alienate their fanbase but are still able to create a varied enough experience that it all feels fresh and familiar at the same time.  There is absolutely no reason to scrap the core mechanics and premise if it worked so well to begin with, its actually incredible to see these games transform from iteration to iteration while keeping their identity intact.  Welcome to gaming my friend, you seem to be lost.



Almost correct, except I think entire genres are remakes of the same game, not necessarily just a series.

I guess I can understand where youre coming from if youre the kind of guy thats played lara croft and decided that there is no need to play uncharted because of their similarities in gameplay.  It sounds as though gaming just isnt for you, or that you stick to one game for a very, very long time.  I can respect that you do not have the want or will to plug your way through another cliche jrpg, or another online first person shooter.  I guess im the kind of guy that plays all types of games within each genre just to see how each experience differs from the next.  Essentially every genre boils down to the same mechanics if you look at it that way, but my passion for video games is what drives me to play as many great games as I can despite the similarities.  Im sorry for sounding a bit malicious but I believe that now is the best time to be a gamer period.

I am very passionate about games. That is why it is disappointing to me to see that games are rellying more on more on fluff, and less on actual gaming. You are right that I prefer sticking to the same game for a long time rather than playing many variations of the same basic game.

Though, I don't want to seem like a nazi about it. I concede that a genre or a game can be advanced by improving on presentation, maybe even story telling. Not every game can invent its own genre. My problem is that game innovation seems to be virtually at a standstill and the entire industry is focused on presentation.


Im glad you posted that, and I do agree that there are very few developers that actually do innovate, rather they refine.  I clearly see this is a problem for you and one I can respect, I guess others are better equipped to deal with the shortcomings of the industry as of late as far as innovation is concerned.  Dont get me wrong, I dont go into video game purchases with a fanboy veil over my eyes just because it says halo on the cover, but im also not quite as disturbed by the industries lack of innovative intellectual properties.  There is one thing I will say about the true lack of evolution as far as gameplay mechanics are concerned and something that games such as call of duty and gears of war may be solely responsible for which is publishers wanting developers to create games the way they want them made.  I know I dont have to preach to you about the costs of development but this is the main reason many games end up being as similar as they are within each genre, publishers fear that if its too unique then it wont sell.  Games such as heavy rain, lbp, flower, limbo, all of these incredibly unique experiences are so critical to the industry at this point because its forcing publishers to pull their collective heads out of their asses and actually take a few more risks.  As youve pointed out its not as if the industry is void of any innovation, its just that there isnt enough.  The good thing is more developers are gaining enough prestige and recognition that when they present ideas, such as thatgamecompany, that they dont automatically get shot down for being too different which is an awesome step in the right direction.



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Bong Lover said:
qmoney88 said:
Bong Lover said:
qmoney88 said:
Bong Lover said:
Vetteman94 said:
Bong Lover said:
Chibi.V.29 said:
Boutros said:

Naughty Dog: "Yes Uncharted 3 Trailer was all from in-Engine (plus) Actual Gameplay"

http://www.tqcast.com/2010/12/11/naughty-dog-yes-uncharted-3-trailer-was-all-from-in-engine-actual-gameplay/


O_O i think we can all agree this looks to be the best looking console video game ever created ^^ 

 

We can not. Against my better judgment I watched the trailer and as I suspected it looks like utter crap. Another step down the wrong path when it comes to game graphics.

The more developers try to make their games look 'realistic' the more we're served insults like this trailer. I see people drooling over the water effects. Here is a tip for you, if you play a game to watch natural looking flowing water try watching the Discovery Channel instead. The water effects there are infinitely better and will be so forever. For Christ out loud! They can't even produce a convincing model of the human body, let alone make it move like something that looks even remotely natural. Why do they keep doing this? All they are achieving is making the game look devoid of soul. Anyone who as ever actually been outside will immediately be able to see how hopelessly primitive this graphics are compared to what they are trying to model.

Photorealism like this is a GIANT waste of time. It will never ever look good, and is nothing but a distraction from the game. If the resources sunk into the graphics of this game had been used on creating a game instead it could have been amazing. Of course, actual game design is quite difficult and requires the ability to have an original thought. That is probably why they didn't bother trying that.

Yes because games like Uncharted, Halo Reach and God of War III lack things that could make it amazing because they focused so much on the graphics.  


I agree. They are basically without a single original idea. Upgraded presentation, repackaged content. The same thing that has all but killed Hollywood is now destroying gaming.

Youre right bong lover, why dont we toss nathan drake a magic staff sitting on top of a chocobo while hes busy browsing through his menus trying to figure out if he should upgrade his spellpower or that ifrit summon hes been eyeing for the past 4 experience levels... im not quite sure how much different you would like each iteration in any series to be but apparently you only play one game in a franchise and forget about it.  If every game was like crackdown, then maybe your posts would be justified but if you believe that every franchise that spawns a sequel is nearly identical to its predecessor then I feel sorry for you for being so cynical and not allowing yourself the opportunity to enjoy these games and experience the myriad of gameplay changes/additions and improvements overall that most sequels tend to receive.  Ive said this before and ill say it again, I dont think Ive ever seen a straight guy complain about women only having three entrances with which to penetrate, sure there are different positions and  techniques but at the end of the day men just want to have sex.  Despite a few exceptions, most video game series fall within these parameters in order not to alienate their fanbase but are still able to create a varied enough experience that it all feels fresh and familiar at the same time.  There is absolutely no reason to scrap the core mechanics and premise if it worked so well to begin with, its actually incredible to see these games transform from iteration to iteration while keeping their identity intact.  Welcome to gaming my friend, you seem to be lost.



Almost correct, except I think entire genres are remakes of the same game, not necessarily just a series.

I guess I can understand where youre coming from if youre the kind of guy thats played lara croft and decided that there is no need to play uncharted because of their similarities in gameplay.  It sounds as though gaming just isnt for you, or that you stick to one game for a very, very long time.  I can respect that you do not have the want or will to plug your way through another cliche jrpg, or another online first person shooter.  I guess im the kind of guy that plays all types of games within each genre just to see how each experience differs from the next.  Essentially every genre boils down to the same mechanics if you look at it that way, but my passion for video games is what drives me to play as many great games as I can despite the similarities.  Im sorry for sounding a bit malicious but I believe that now is the best time to be a gamer period.

I am very passionate about games. That is why it is disappointing to me to see that games are rellying more on more on fluff, and less on actual gaming. You are right that I prefer sticking to the same game for a long time rather than playing many variations of the same basic game.

Though, I don't want to seem like a nazi about it. I concede that a genre or a game can be advanced by improving on presentation, maybe even story telling. Not every game can invent its own genre. My problem is that game innovation seems to be virtually at a standstill and the entire industry is focused on presentation.


Im glad you posted that, and I do agree that there are very few developers that actually do innovate, rather they refine.  I clearly see this is a problem for you and one I can respect, I guess others are better equipped to deal with the shortcomings of the industry as of late as far as innovation is concerned.  Dont get me wrong, I dont go into video game purchases with a fanboy veil over my eyes just because it says halo on the cover, but im also not quite as disturbed by the industries lack of innovative intellectual properties.  There is one thing I will say about the true lack of evolution as far as gameplay mechanics are concerned and something that games such as call of duty and gears of war may be solely responsible for which is publishers wanting developers to create games the way they want them made.  I know I dont have to preach to you about the costs of development but this is the main reason many games end up being as similar as they are within each genre, publishers fear that if its too unique then it wont sell.  Games such as heavy rain, lbp, flower, limbo, all of these incredibly unique experiences are so critical to the industry at this point because its forcing publishers to pull their collective heads out of their asses and actually take a few more risks.  As youve pointed out its not as if the industry is void of any innovation, its just that there isnt enough.  The good thing is more developers are gaining enough prestige and recognition that when they present ideas, such as thatgamecompany, that they dont automatically get shot down for being too different which is an awesome step in the right direction.



 PROUD MEMBER OF THE  PLAYSTATION 3 : RPG FAN CLUB

qmoney88 said:


Im glad you posted that, and I do agree that there are very few developers that actually do innovate, rather they refine.  I clearly see this is a problem for you and one I can respect, I guess others are better equipped to deal with the shortcomings of the industry as of late as far as innovation is concerned.  Dont get me wrong, I dont go into video game purchases with a fanboy veil over my eyes just because it says halo on the cover, but im also not quite as disturbed by the industries lack of innovative intellectual properties.  There is one thing I will say about the true lack of evolution as far as gameplay mechanics are concerned and something that games such as call of duty and gears of war may be solely responsible for which is publishers wanting developers to create games the way they want them made.  I know I dont have to preach to you about the costs of development but this is the main reason many games end up being as similar as they are within each genre, publishers fear that if its too unique then it wont sell.  Games such as heavy rain, lbp, flower, limbo, all of these incredibly unique experiences are so critical to the industry at this point because its forcing publishers to pull their collective heads out of their asses and actually take a few more risks.  As youve pointed out its not as if the industry is void of any innovation, its just that there isnt enough.  The good thing is more developers are gaining enough prestige and recognition that when they present ideas, such as thatgamecompany, that they dont automatically get shot down for being too different which is an awesome step in the right direction.

I admit to overstating the problem to make the post more noticeable, there is innovation still in the main stream and there is also a viable independent market. I am concerned though, because video game budgets are growing bigger and bigger, and as that happens the level of freedom to innovate declines.

I don't want to see video games move even closer to the movie industry in that sense. Anyone can see what the huge cost of failure has done to the creative process in Hollywood. From this point of view, moving to HD graphics has actually hurt gaming.



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Doobie_wop said:

Neil Patrick Harris had more jokes fall flat than a shaken up coke bottle and every single person on stage was an abomination in both performance and relevancy towards the industry. Bloody hell, put on a damn suit or something, nearly everyone that came on stage looked like a bum and Nick Sawrdson has gained weight and both he, that Lost dick and Dane Cook were all extremely unfunny.

I've never had to turn my head away in disgust so many times during an event like this. The only things I liked was it had a few cool trailers, I was happy that the LIMBO team won (and dressed well) and that Guillermo Del Toro actually graced out industry with a good presentation, he was the only presenter that didn't look like a fuckwit.

Couldn't have been worse than last year.

That was one of the worst things ever. And not just on the Internet.



Best VGAs ever.

TESV



Bong Lover said:

From this point of view, moving to HD graphics has actually hurt gaming.

I guess you are a wii only owner?



Slimebeast said:

Best VGAs ever.

TESV


finally he shows up!!

how many times did you change your pants?

2011 is gonna be kick ass.



Being in 3rd place never felt so good

zgamer5 said:
Slimebeast said:

Best VGAs ever.

TESV


finally he shows up!!

how many times did you change your pants?

2011 is gonna be kick ass.

Haha. I woke up this morning and realized the VGS was on Saturday and immediately went on the internet to check out... It's as I'm still dreaming.