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Slavery: For or against?

Yes, as long as the slaves are non-citizens. 15 7.98%
 
Yes, it'd make the world a better place. 14 7.45%
 
No, but I wouldn't enfor... 12 6.38%
 
No, it's completely unacceptable. 147 78.19%
 
Total:188

I'm not going to vote. Instead I will waste my time on the view about slavery.

Is Slavery right or wrong. It has similar implications about the concept of pre-arranged marriages. The individual in question has no choice and must live by certain standards. Essentially in the case of marriage it is mild form of slavery to both individuals. Most people on this forum come from a society were slavery is hammered as wrong. Again and again. Over most of our lives we are force to learn that freedom is right, follow our dreams and Slavery is abhorrent and essentially evil.

There is much to back up this view where slavery is wrong. There are periods of time where Slavery has been abused and has indeed been wrong. North American Slave trade, British Slave Trade so on etc have had abusive slave systems. In these cases you owned the person mind, body and soul. The slave was worth nothing.  This abusive treatment has brought about that slavery = evil and freedom = pure good. Maybe it's true. By all means i'm not one for slavery and given a real vote by the government would vote against it. However in perspective slavery is still rampant around the world. Of course they are in a variety of forums and often illegal and over looked. That's where the focus on this is.

Various countries run Slavery illegally under the noses of the government. There are slave trade organizations that run around the world. Even in Europe and North America. You can read up on stories about travelers or even civilians abducted into the underground slave market. That's probably the problem. Once in the underground market anything is allowed. Similar to the prohibition era of the USA where alcohol was illegal. It didn't stop and instead was operated by crime cartels. It was big money and was not regulated.

There have been points in history where Slavery was sanctioned by the ruling government(if government is what you could call it). In these points of time Slavery has it's up's and downs. In the downs it was horrible. However it's up times were a different matter. There were laws that protected slaves. You could not abuse them, mistreat them, kill them. You have to provide adequately for them. If you could not afford to maintain a slave or if they were abused it was considered illegal and the slaver owner would be punished... with a fine(not much of a punishment really). There was also the stigma of being an abusive slave owner. If you mistreated your slave you were view poorly by your pears. There was also laws in place where slavery was only a term of service. You would sell yourself or family into slavery services for a period of defined years for a loan. These situations had far more control over your own term. What we often however hear about our the Criminal/War Slaves. The ones who became slaves because of crimes they committed. Just remember the rights in Guantanamo bay. They don't have any. 

Modern media reinforces the element that slavery of all types are bad. but in arranged marriages is it always. True the couple don't fall into a "love" for each other, but often these marriages fair better than the those with the freedom to choose. Is that bad? is it bad that there is a higher chance that  children in arranged marriages will live in a stable household than say North America and it's high divorce rate? of course arranged marriage and slavery are not the same. And to a large extent they are not. But both comes down to lack of freedom of choice and expectations from family, friends and culture. When a culture and peers say it's ok to abusive then it's a horrible thing, but when there are government regulations, expectations and culture pressure to be on the better behavior; is it all that bad?

Is slavery bad. I would like to say yes, but am I saying yes because I've been programmed to say yes by the years of forced media? or am I saying yes because I have formed my own opinion based on facts and research? because i'm not so sure if some one else is saying yes for me because I'm told to say it.

So as I always say. Your opinion should be defined by personal research of multiple sources rather than those of the media. Finally. Is it a good idea for our society to invoke slavery based on our current crisis. FUCK NO. There is an easier fix than massive regulation.

I'm done with the topic. I've expressed my opinions. It's a longer read than the usual 1 sentence to 1 paragraph post. So like the internet. I don't care about your opinion, but I will abandon the thread :) 



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

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TheLivingShadow said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
TheLivingShadow said:
Chairman-Mao said:

No, because its cheaper to just pay workers than it is to pay people to keep the slaves in check (make sure they don't try to revolt). 


What if it weren't then? What if in the future there were this cheap technology/pill that controls/drugs a person into doing what you want, and you didn't need someone to keep them in check? Would you then embrace slavery?

More generally, is your position against slavery a purely economical one, or do you also think it's ethically wrong?


thats alot of iffing, and is highly logical. i'll go furthur then that. (watch closely)

lets say world war 3 happens nobody wins and every economic power fail's, but the gov is still very much intact with limited resources,and the one thing they have is an experimental chip that can reprogram minds, and all they have to do is activate it to take over the minds of every living being left on earth! its on some kind of wireless frequency that re-wires brain waves, and with one tiny tap of a butten ur a slave.

now stop with the hypotheticals unless you really want to test me? pills lol? that so 1960's! how old are you anyway? 890

Logical methods are the best way to approach situations. Besides, since slavery isn't exactly commonplace, hypotheticals are the only thing we can rely on for discussion purposes. Furthermore, I do not believe my example is not "too hypothetical" or otherwise worded that way.

As for your situation:

1. Such a chip is impossible. It's very easy to prove that.

2. What's the point? No question is asked in your situation.

3. I'll assume your question is: If I were in the position of power, would I press the button? The answer is: No. People who would answer Yes have mental issues.


i disagree. how is the manipulation of brain waves not possible when subliminal messages have been used in the past?maniputaltion of the brain can be based on wht you see, and whos to say the gov. dosen't have that tech? don't be blind and dismiss anything!

didin't need to ask a question with a hypothetical when its an example!

and to ur 3 of my 3. people with power are unpredictable and never should be underestimated. if companies had it there way they'd have you blindly work for no pay and if a pill, nanites, or the manipulation of brain waves was perfected or a logical way to get it done it would happen. leave nothing to chance kid.

hypnosis



.jayderyu said:

I'm not going to vote. Instead I will waste my time on the view about slavery.

Is Slavery right or wrong. It has similar implications about the concept of pre-arranged marriages. The individual in question has no choice and must live by certain standards. Essentially in the case of marriage it is mild form of slavery to both individuals. Most people on this forum come from a society were slavery is hammered as wrong. Again and again. Over most of our lives we are force to learn that freedom is right, follow our dreams and Slavery is abhorrent and essentially evil.

There is much to back up this view where slavery is wrong. There are periods of time where Slavery has been abused and has indeed been wrong. North American Slave trade, British Slave Trade so on etc have had abusive slave systems. In these cases you owned the person mind, body and soul. The slave was worth nothing.  This abusive treatment has brought about that slavery = evil and freedom = pure good. Maybe it's true. By all means i'm not one for slavery and given a real vote by the government would vote against it. However in perspective slavery is still rampant around the world. Of course they are in a variety of forums and often illegal and over looked. That's where the focus on this is.

Various countries run Slavery illegally under the noses of the government. There are slave trade organizations that run around the world. Even in Europe and North America. You can read up on stories about travelers or even civilians abducted into the underground slave market. That's probably the problem. Once in the underground market anything is allowed. Similar to the prohibition era of the USA where alcohol was illegal. It didn't stop and instead was operated by crime cartels. It was big money and was not regulated.

There have been points in history where Slavery was sanctioned by the ruling government(if government is what you could call it). In these points of time Slavery has it's up's and downs. In the downs it was horrible. However it's up times were a different matter. There were laws that protected slaves. You could not abuse them, mistreat them, kill them. You have to provide adequately for them. If you could not afford to maintain a slave or if they were abused it was considered illegal and the slaver owner would be punished... with a fine(not much of a punishment really). There was also the stigma of being an abusive slave owner. If you mistreated your slave you were view poorly by your pears. There was also laws in place where slavery was only a term of service. You would sell yourself or family into slavery services for a period of defined years for a loan. These situations had far more control over your own term. What we often however hear about our the Criminal/War Slaves. The ones who became slaves because of crimes they committed. Just remember the rights in Guantanamo bay. They don't have any. 

Modern media reinforces the element that slavery of all types are bad. but in arranged marriages is it always. True the couple don't fall into a "love" for each other, but often these marriages fair better than the those with the freedom to choose. Is that bad? is it bad that there is a higher chance that  children in arranged marriages will live in a stable household than say North America and it's high divorce rate? of course arranged marriage and slavery are not the same. And to a large extent they are not. But both comes down to lack of freedom of choice and expectations from family, friends and culture. When a culture and peers say it's ok to abusive then it's a horrible thing, but when there are government regulations, expectations and culture pressure to be on the better behavior; is it all that bad?

Is slavery bad. I would like to say yes, but am I saying yes because I've been programmed to say yes by the years of forced media? or am I saying yes because I have formed my own opinion based on facts and research? because i'm not so sure if some one else is saying yes for me because I'm told to say it.

So as I always say. Your opinion should be defined by personal research of multiple sources rather than those of the media. Finally. Is it a good idea for our society to invoke slavery based on our current crisis. FUCK NO. There is an easier fix than massive regulation.

I'm done with the topic. I've expressed my opinions. It's a longer read than the usual 1 sentence to 1 paragraph post. So like the internet. I don't care about your opinion, but I will abandon the thread :) 


Why abandon the thread, when your answer is so very well written? Don't be afraid of backlash, face it.

I agree with you on what you mean about knowing your facts instead of listening to the media. Particularly, I know some history and I've read about masters treating their slaves well and stuff like that, but I condemn slavery of all kinds based on principles of freedom that I believe make a better civilization. Not because the media tells me it's bad, even though when I was a child I may have been lectured that way. I still stand by that though, the same way I chose to continue standing against early abortion and the same way I don't oppose homosexuality or people of different religions anymore. One of the important traits of mature people is to make their own decisions, not only practically but also on the knowledge and certain assumptions they were lead to believe as children.



I've seen a lot of incredibly stupid questions on these forums but this one is probably one of the dumber ones I've seen.



Dude, really?



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Unacceptable. It would be definetly a step backwards. The goal is to free mankind from the necessity to work. Also its not ethical.

 

 



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
TheLivingShadow said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
TheLivingShadow said:
Chairman-Mao said:

No, because its cheaper to just pay workers than it is to pay people to keep the slaves in check (make sure they don't try to revolt). 


What if it weren't then? What if in the future there were this cheap technology/pill that controls/drugs a person into doing what you want, and you didn't need someone to keep them in check? Would you then embrace slavery?

More generally, is your position against slavery a purely economical one, or do you also think it's ethically wrong?


thats alot of iffing, and is highly logical. i'll go furthur then that. (watch closely)

lets say world war 3 happens nobody wins and every economic power fail's, but the gov is still very much intact with limited resources,and the one thing they have is an experimental chip that can reprogram minds, and all they have to do is activate it to take over the minds of every living being left on earth! its on some kind of wireless frequency that re-wires brain waves, and with one tiny tap of a butten ur a slave.

now stop with the hypotheticals unless you really want to test me? pills lol? that so 1960's! how old are you anyway? 890

Logical methods are the best way to approach situations. Besides, since slavery isn't exactly commonplace, hypotheticals are the only thing we can rely on for discussion purposes. Furthermore, I do not believe my example is not "too hypothetical" or otherwise worded that way.

As for your situation:

1. Such a chip is impossible. It's very easy to prove that.

2. What's the point? No question is asked in your situation.

3. I'll assume your question is: If I were in the position of power, would I press the button? The answer is: No. People who would answer Yes have mental issues.


i disagree. how is the manipulation of brain waves not possible when subliminal messages have been used in the past?maniputaltion of the brain can be based on wht you see, and whos to say the gov. dosen't have that tech? don't be blind and dismiss anything!

didin't need to ask a question with a hypothetical when its an example!

and to ur 3 of my 3. people with power are unpredictable and never should be underestimated. if companies had it there way they'd have you blindly work for no pay and if a pill, nanites, or the manipulation of brain waves was perfected or a logical way to get it done it would happen. leave nothing to chance kid.

hypnosis


1. Ok first off I agree hypnosis works sometimes and I agree a chip to control one person or a limited group of people could concievably work. You said your chip "controlled every single living being on the face of Earth" or something along the lines. That's clearly impossible.

2. If there's no question, what's the point? Ok listen to this: "Not having breakfast." What's the point of that statement for discussion purposes? What I mean is, what were you trying to say in the first place!

3. You're right, and I know that. Again though, the person (or group of people who make that decision) has mental issues. They want extreme power at the cost of killing the conciousness of the people. Almost sounds like a JRPG story by now hahaha

Oh by the way, I'm 18. What does that matter anyway?



Yeah, I really have to wonder why some people would think slavery is at all acceptable

 

 



sure, the more the better.

 

 

 

 

Oh wait. This thread is not about cookies ?



Every civilization in the world used slavery as its foundation.


Food for thought.