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Kasz216 on 08 December 2010
PS3beats360 said:
Seece said:

So if the baby has 2 males DNA (2 fathers) and a woman carrys the baby and gives birth, it's not her baby AT all?

Like we get a lot of surrogate mothers that change their mind ... in this case, would they have no choice but to give up the baby?

A surrogate mother should be forced to hand over the child or else. The two fathers have paid a lot of money for their own biological child. Surrogate has signed an agreement with the two fathers to accept the cash and hand over the child when the child is born. A legally binding agreement is an enforceable contract and the child is the property of the two fathers. 


Property?  A kid aint't property no matter how young it is.  Though seece, the law as currently written does give the surrogate rights, afterall plenty of surrogates now are carrying babies that are genitically not theirs but they are still considered the "Birth mother."

Surrogacy rights are tricky too, because when you think about it... most surrogates that aren't someone you know well... are likely very poor and pretty much need the money.  Even if they did make a law that says surrogacy contracts are now enforceable lots of surrogates could parobably argue they signed under economic distress.



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Mr Puggsly on 08 December 2010

I have a feeling genetically enhanced people are gonna lead to awesome shit!

Like Halo and Crackdown. I can't wait!



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sapphi_snake on 09 December 2010

Interesting. Too bad this will probably kill adoption, especially that of non-white babies.



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Stefan.De.Machtige on 09 December 2010

That's pretty irrelevant. The future  will have a lot less gays - not that the current - 5% is much.

The (in part the same) selection techniques and human nature will make sure of that. We are already selecting on certain things. That list will be expanded and 'gay' will be on it.

Humans have always wanted to select on foetus' - creating the best of them. Now we will have the actual tools... and we will use them. Human nature is human nature.



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Seece on 09 December 2010
Stefan.De.Machtige said:

That's pretty irrelevant. The future  will have a lot less gays - not that the current - 5% is much.

The (in part the same) selection techniques and human nature will make sure of that. We are already selecting on certain things. That list will be expanded and 'gay' will be on it.

Humans have always wanted to select on foetus' - creating the best of them. Now we will have the actual tools... and we will use them. Human nature is human nature.

Thankfully there are a lot more non prejudice people out there that would be happy with a gay child.



 

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Porcupine_I on 09 December 2010
PureDante said:

This is just great. In the next thousand years we're gunna have a new generation of kids that are all grey with gay parents.

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chocoloco on 09 December 2010

Well if people want to spend many thousnds of dollars to have a child with their lover that is theirs genetically so be it. I can guarantee reproducing this experiment in humans is still a long ways away, even if mice are very genetically similar to humans as we are both mammals. This is also risky business because it seems very likely that there would be high levels of genetic disorders. Who knows? But this will not happen in humans for at least 20 years probably more.



Cobretti2 on 09 December 2010
PureDante said:

This is just great. In the next thousand years we're gunna have a new generation of kids that are all grey with gay parents.

agreed.

Reminds me of that movie What Planet are you from (2000). All males.

 



 

 

Scoobes on 09 December 2010
ghaleon1980 said:

This story, albeit interesting, doesn't really mean anything for the future of human children.  There are way too many differences between mice and humans to extrapolate success from one species to another.  Want an example???

C-L-O-N-I-N-G.

 

Look it up.  It has been done in several animal species but is yet to be accomplished in humans.

 

Peace out. 

The main difference in doing it in animals and humans is the ethics and the scales of the study. How many mice did they attempt this in before they were successful?

Human ehtics means that any studies of this nature in humans are very rare and unlikely to work even if the science itself is still sound.




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ghaleon1980 on 09 December 2010
Scoobes said:
ghaleon1980 said:

This story, albeit interesting, doesn't really mean anything for the future of human children.  There are way too many differences between mice and humans to extrapolate success from one species to another.  Want an example???

C-L-O-N-I-N-G.

 

Look it up.  It has been done in several animal species but is yet to be accomplished in humans.

 

Peace out. 

The main difference in doing it in animals and humans is the ethics and the scales of the study. How many mice did they attempt this in before they were successful?

Human ehtics means that any studies of this nature in humans are very rare and unlikely to work even if the science itself is still sound.

 

"Ethics" alone is not the reason why human cloning has not been successful.  This may be true in industrial, modernized countries such as the US but I can assure you that there are plenty of research teams in other countries that disregard the "ethics" involved and have still been unsuccessful.