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ninty_shareholder64 said:

So you argue that believing in the theory of evolution is more naiv than believing in god?


no, didnt say that, its just that to ME its more likely that there is a god who arranged the evolution rather than nothing just exploded for no reason (big bang) and life was created out of water for no reason, without something intelligent who created all that, thats it.



Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVrNOQtlzY

I believe what I believe and by no means is it in a divine God defined in books. I'm am not agnostic nor atheist. Though if asked I would probably say atheist just to make things simple and avoid debate, where as i'm more agnostic in just a different way.

@OP
I hope your not discriminating against her now. Nor should it be a bombshell. It should be as it is and in no way should really matter. 



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ProdigyBam said:
ninty_shareholder64 said:

So you argue that believing in the theory of evolution is more naiv than believing in god?


no, didnt say that, its just that to ME its more likely that there is a god who arranged the evolution rather than nothing just exploded for no reason (big bang) and life was created out of water for no reason, without something intelligent who created all that, thats it.

Nobody says it is easy to understand.

Especially time durations of million and billion years is difficult to imagine. 



ProdigyBam said:
ninty_shareholder64 said:

So you argue that believing in the theory of evolution is more naiv than believing in god?


no, didnt say that, its just that to ME its more likely that there is a god who arranged the evolution rather than nothing just exploded for no reason (big bang) and life was created out of water for no reason, without something intelligent who created all that, thats it.

Not to cast judgment on your belief, but you've got this part wrong.

Life didn't spurt out of water for no reason. In fact, life itself, in it's basic definition, it's just an amalgam of chemical reactions that try to keep a system's (body, cell, tissue, whatever) entropy from balancing out with the environment.

As long as that entropy is above's the environment's entropy, the system works, and there's "life". I think you're confusing both the concepts of conscious life with the process of biological life. 

Biological life began when simply carbohydrated molecules, amino-acids and other molecules combined themselves in order to keep their reactions stable. Those conditions are easy to replicate in a laboratory experience. 

From there to the formation of DNA, RNA and the synthesis of complex proteins it was just a series of recombinations and adaptations. That's nothing out of the ordinary, your own body cells do that by the thousands every day, but 99,99% of them aren't viable, so your body takes care of them via both DNA mediated decay and apoptosis. 

What's truly hard for science to explain is how sequential organization of more and more complex proteins leading to the formation of major organelles and sub-sequential formation of cell structures also lead to the evolution of "conscious" life, or life mediated for a purpose of self-preservation and individual awareness.

That's still one of the biggest mysteries of them all, which is the basis of foundation for religious beliefs worldwide, none of them more right or more wrong than others. It's just different points of view for fundamentally the same question.



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I don't believe in God.

Though honestly, I wish he was real and I wouldn't mind if he turned out to somehow be real. I mean if he's really a fair, just, forgiving and loving god like everybody says he is, then i think he'd be OK with 'good' people no matter what religion they may happen to choose (or not choose) - - - I mean who wouldn't want to live forever :D

It's just that there's so much going against the idea of believing in God that i can't just forget about it and start believing. The way he's described in the 'holy books' and what he says in them is pretty imperfect and not very godlike to say the least



Boutros said:

I don't know how you guys do that.

Oh well.

Do what?



miz1q2w3e said:
Boutros said:

I don't know how you guys do that.

Oh well.

Do what?

I don't know...

Tag yourself to a group I guess.

I find religion beliefs to be way too personal.



Very few atheists make a positive claim that God doesn't exist. Functionally everyone in the world is an agnostic since they're without knowledge. That includes theists.

I however don't define myself by the fact that I can't positively prove that God doesn't exist completely and cannot know either way. Thats absurd. Firslty because no-one applies such thinking to things like fairies, which seems to be a form of special pleading only really applied in the theistic realm, and secondly because I think theistic claims can be looked into. God strikes houses with lightning because we sin? Nah, its a natural process that can largely be predicted, doesn't require God to work (gotta love a bit of razor action) and even if God was doing it, it can be easily stopped with lighting rods (what a weak God, why worship it?).

The claim God exists is made by theists. There is no evidence, thus I don't believe in it. I have no burden of proof because my belief is a negative. There is nothing illogical about being an atheist. To be correct, I would say I'm an agnostic atheist as is pretty much everyone. But the same would thus have to be said about thiests aswell. Ever heard a person call themselves an agnostic Christian? I doubt it (of course this being the internet I'm sure groups exist).

I just fall on the side of the fence that thinks that God probably doesn't eixst. And if we must look at the evidence, the God of the Gaps is an ever shrinking one. There is certainly more evidnece to say that God doesn't exist then does (or atleast if a God does exist, he's decidenly non interventionest and probably non-anthropic). But again, I'm not making the claim, I'm just rejecting the claim by theists because such an extraordinary claim should have extraordinary evidence.

I'm interested in what a person thinks, not some obsession over knowledge (which is rarely applied anywhere else) or the use of the word to reduce social stigma (and such agnostics do exist).

And please, don't conflate anti-theism with atheism.