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AussieGecko said:
UncleScrooge said:

It always strucks me how soon these things turn into a "religion vs science" discussion.

I remember in school people were pretty shocked (they literally couldn't believe it) that I was an atheist / agnostic. And they would always ask me "so you believe in science?" which would leave me pretty confused. You can't "believe" in science. Real religious belief is not the same as trusting scientific discoveries.

Religious belief goes way deeper than just "believing facts". Religion is not about "x and y happened".

Maybe some of you guys should read the work of James Fowler (just google him) then you'll realize that once you hit a certain..."stage" of religious belief there is no believing in religious "facts" anymore.

ooooooooh i love how the people that believe science without question. Like how we were guaranteed the oldest human was 100k years, then going on and going on and now we are up to 2 million.

Oh and raptors, guess what they have feathers, look at jurassic park, hell the lost world it was only recently they realised that they had feathers. Science is a bunch of theories until proven otherwise, and even then its not proven. It is simply a new discovery.

You can not simply criticise religion "theories" if you are trying to use science "theories" in defence.

but that is the thing about science, it is not a fixed structure that will be true for all eternity. it grows with new discoveries, new knowledge is added, new conclusions are made. it keeps evolving, but only ever adapting to itself.

 

religions though, they keep adapting themselves to science as good as they can since they are forced to do so.

 

of course believing in a fixed value is so much easier. people always craved certainty about things. unchanging rules give security. but that is just not how this universe works.



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Wasn't there already a thread like this (which had a poll) where everyone was asked to say what religion they were, and a lot of people were atheists? Did you miss that one Mr. OP?



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I believe in god and I am a Cristain.

 

But I don't care if  someone is Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist or whatever. Nor do I try to convert people.

 

But I don't like it when people tell me my religion is stupid and call me stupid because I believe in "fairy tales".



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Porcupine_I said:
AussieGecko said:
UncleScrooge said:

It always strucks me how soon these things turn into a "religion vs science" discussion.

I remember in school people were pretty shocked (they literally couldn't believe it) that I was an atheist / agnostic. And they would always ask me "so you believe in science?" which would leave me pretty confused. You can't "believe" in science. Real religious belief is not the same as trusting scientific discoveries.

Religious belief goes way deeper than just "believing facts". Religion is not about "x and y happened".

Maybe some of you guys should read the work of James Fowler (just google him) then you'll realize that once you hit a certain..."stage" of religious belief there is no believing in religious "facts" anymore.

ooooooooh i love how the people that believe science without question. Like how we were guaranteed the oldest human was 100k years, then going on and going on and now we are up to 2 million.

Oh and raptors, guess what they have feathers, look at jurassic park, hell the lost world it was only recently they realised that they had feathers. Science is a bunch of theories until proven otherwise, and even then its not proven. It is simply a new discovery.

You can not simply criticise religion "theories" if you are trying to use science "theories" in defence.

but that is the thing about science, it is not a fixed structure that will be true for all eternity. it grows with new discoveries, new knowledge is added, new conclusions are made. it keeps evolving, but only ever adapting to itself.

 

religions though, they keep adapting themselves to science as good as they can since they are forced to do so.

 

of course believing in a fixed value is so much easier. people always craved certainty about things. unchanging rules give security. but that is just not how this universe works.

People do this all the time, it is one of the most commonly used techniques to "disarm" science as a whole; turning its greatest strength (updating and falsifying through renewal and further probing into a field or phenomenon) into a supposed weakness.

"Yeah but they always find out something else instead that replaces what we knew!" Yes, that's the gist of if and is the way that mankind has moved forward for ages, it is the key to progress and is what makes science viable and sound. Religion is often the antithesis to progress, as can be seen in the Dark Ages where virtually no tech, social structure or other societal improvements sprung up due to strict religious supervision and censorship.

I can't imagine what state we would be in if everyone just sat down and resigned from any intellectual activity simply because one can be wrong or proven wrong in the future. Where would we be then? And where would we be without science? One cannot imagine.



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I'm an Atheist.

And everytime i spoke with a believer, i thought these guys are a bit ... naive at best.

Most of them were just stupid, imho.

It's easier for them to believe in the theories of religions than to find solutions to their problems on their own.

 

Hate me, or forgive me, but religion is an antiquated idea and only for weak boneheaded people, imho.



AussieGecko said:

ooooooooh i love how the people that believe science without question. Like how we were guaranteed the oldest human was 100k years, then going on and going on and now we are up to 2 million.

Oh and raptors, guess what they have feathers, look at jurassic park, hell the lost world it was only recently they realised that they had feathers. Science is a bunch of theories until proven otherwise, and even then its not proven. It is simply a new discovery.

You can not simply criticise religion "theories" if you are trying to use science "theories" in defence.

Bold - 

And that's exactly why science works so well. Science isn't a set series of ideas, that are forever unchanging and never to be questioned. Science will always adapt to the new evidence, and with every generation of scientists that passes the theory will be more correct than it was before.

The argument you use to ridicule science is exactly the same reason why it works so well. All it does it expose a certain mindset you have.

Also, if people "believed" science without question like you claim, then science wouldn't work the way it does. Science is built on scepticism and enquiry.

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As for your last part, religious theories and scientific theories are two completely separate things.

Scientific theories are explanations of phenomena based on facts and evidence, when new facts come along, the theory changes to fit. They are not the same as religious theories.

 



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ninty_shareholder64 said:

I'm an Atheist.

And everytime i spoke with a believer, i thought these guys are a bit ... naive at best.

Most of them were just stupid, imho.

It's easier for them to believe in the theories of religions than to find solutions to their problems on their own.

 

Hate me, or forgive me, but religion is an antiquated idea and only for weak boneheaded people, imho.

I object to calling them stupid to be honest. Most creationists I come across are normal people, with the same rationality and intelligence as you and me.

I think it's a case of selective suspended rationality.

For example, someone who believes Noah's flood actually took place for religious reasons, they will suspend their usual rationality when approaching it. They will find ways to believe that the flood took place, despite the fact that rivers still meander.

That doesn't mean they are this irrational all the time, just in this case. Most of the time they use the same level of intelligence and rationality as the rest of us.

We all do this to an extent (even atheists and agnostics).



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