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Nsanity on 04 December 2010

Microsoft have been profiting on 360 since 2008 and i reckon that 1 billion they make off Live every year well covers it.



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Bitmap Frogs on 04 December 2010

Woah so they might make a net profit outta the 360!

Who would have thought...





Current-gen game collection uploaded on the profile, full of win and good games; also most of my PC games. Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts 1982-2008 (Requiescat In Pace).

hudsoniscool on 04 December 2010
yo_john117 said:

Wow judging by Seece's chart it looks like the 360 might be getting somewhat close to breaking even....a couple more years like this and the 360 will have broken even and a couple more years after that MS might be able to recoup from the original Xbox losses too.

john is kasumi stollen memory good. i just bot shadow broker and overloard(damit for buying the game used cant get zaeed)

back on topic. after looking at seeces chart i see MS will likly be in the green(after gussing zunes and kins losses) by the end of next year with 360



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

bannedagain on 04 December 2010
Seece said:

Here is a handy chart I made earlier.



I believe it's accurate ...

The purple is the timeframe when the 360 was out and losing money, the latter green is since 360 has been making money (yes since 2007!) the green at the top is original Xbox and all losses.

So since the 360 the E&D Division stands at about 1.449 billion to go before 360 is profitable.

The thing to note here though is that products come alone like the Kin (previous Q? or one before) and kill any profit. BUT the division is mostly made up of 360/Live.

Over the coming months with the revisions to the 360, Live price increase, Kinect (making a profit) and SW, the E&D division should make a killing, I estimate the 360 and E&D division to break even (since 360 launch) by calender year Q1 2012. Perhaps much sooner though tbh.



very informative. THank you



bannedagain on 04 December 2010
Seece said:

Here is a handy chart I made earlier.



I believe it's accurate ...

The purple is the timeframe when the 360 was out and losing money, the latter green is since 360 has been making money (yes since 2007!) the green at the top is original Xbox and all losses.

So since the 360 the E&D Division stands at about 1.449 billion to go before 360 is profitable.

The thing to note here though is that products come alone like the Kin (previous Q? or one before) and kill any profit. BUT the division is mostly made up of 360/Live.

Over the coming months with the revisions to the 360, Live price increase, Kinect (making a profit) and SW, the E&D division should make a killing, I estimate the 360 and E&D division to break even (since 360 launch) by calender year Q1 2012. Perhaps much sooner though tbh.


Sorry double post. Been having problems with vgchartz.



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Bitmap Frogs on 04 December 2010
hudsoniscool said:
yo_john117 said:

Wow judging by Seece's chart it looks like the 360 might be getting somewhat close to breaking even....a couple more years like this and the 360 will have broken even and a couple more years after that MS might be able to recoup from the original Xbox losses too.

john is kasumi stollen memory good. i just bot shadow broker and overloard(damit for buying the game used cant get zaeed)

back on topic. after looking at seeces chart i see MS will likly be in the green(after gussing zunes and kins losses) by the end of next year with 360

You can buy the Cerberus Network Pass off the Bazar (or whatever it's called now) which will get you Zaeed.





Current-gen game collection uploaded on the profile, full of win and good games; also most of my PC games. Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts 1982-2008 (Requiescat In Pace).

hudsoniscool on 04 December 2010
Bitmap Frogs said:
hudsoniscool said:
yo_john117 said:

Wow judging by Seece's chart it looks like the 360 might be getting somewhat close to breaking even....a couple more years like this and the 360 will have broken even and a couple more years after that MS might be able to recoup from the original Xbox losses too.

john is kasumi stollen memory good. i just bot shadow broker and overloard(damit for buying the game used cant get zaeed)

back on topic. after looking at seeces chart i see MS will likly be in the green(after gussing zunes and kins losses) by the end of next year with 360

You can buy the Cerberus Network Pass off the Bazar (or whatever it's called now) which will get you Zaeed.


that costs 1200 ms points. i wont get that for one character. im contomplating kasumi and thats 560



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

DirtyP2002 on 04 December 2010

with the unprofitable WinMo (let's see how WP7 does), Kin, Surface, Zune - I think it is fair to say the Xbox 360 is already profitable. A 1.4 billion loss for all the products I listed since 2005 is a VERY low estimate and that would be enough for the Xbox 360 to be profitable.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

endimion on 04 December 2010

is the chart counting the games royalties and MSGS developped games or distributed ??? and live is beocmming bigger than just 360 with all the apps on different devices and networks... on which they have advertising... anyway I think looking at the past how long first XB was on the market the issues they had with 360 they came a long way... and did some relatively good damage control after the facts...



Barozi on 04 December 2010

probably already in the black without all the other financial flops that are in the E&D section.

However making up the money they lost on the original Xbox will take some more years....