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Ostro said:

99,9999% of the haters don't know shit about Apple and their products.

 

I rather pay "overpriced" stuff that lasts 10 years instead of a crappy PC that has to be modded every 2-3 years and/or replaced & cleaning up the system all the time.

That's strange, because our school used to get really nice Apple computers, and wala, 3 years later, they were slow...because all programs get more demanding, etc, and hardware gets old (you do know it uses a lot of the exact same hardware, right?)



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Cobretti2 said:
Ostro said:

99,9999% of the haters don't know shit about Apple and their products.

 

I rather pay "overpriced" stuff that lasts 10 years instead of a crappy PC that has to be modded every 2-3 years and/or replaced & cleaning up the system all the time.


my PC laptop has last 6 years so far haven't formatted. It has been running 24/7 for the last three years with a few reboots here and there whilst i installed updates or software. 

 

it is all about how to treat your hardware that will determine the life of it. Not a shiny apple on the back lol.

Exactly.  Not to mention, I would really like to see his 10 year old computer play Starcraft 2, LOL



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Killiana1a said:

Interesting theory, which I have an opinion on.

Apple is not a stupid company by any stretch. I believe they are smarter than Microsoft when it comes to computers. Microsoft just has the advantage of colluding with Dell and other computer hardware creators to include Windows and Office in almost every single PC. Apple not having this collusion has profit margins that are higher, puts out the most desired consumer electronics in the US (iPhone, iPad and on), and has basically taken a lot of money from Nintendo DS software sales due to the success of iOS games.

Looking at Apple's culture as a company, the one persistent thing is that they have always come from the "Everyone underestimates us, we are David to Microsoft's Goliath, and I am the little guy with a chip on my shoulder" culture. Many would take this as Apple becoming the modern day Sega. In light of their products, Apple is more in tune with the American family than the counter-culture teenager whom Sega appealed to in the 1990s.

For these reasons, I don't think Apple would ever compete head-to-head with Microsoft and Sony. I think Apple would go for Nintendo's core "family friendly" market in the US. Taking a look at the demand for the iPad, iPhone and their computers amongst dads, moms, kids, and college students, Apple would give Nintendo a major run for it's money in the US market.

If anyone should fear Apple in video games, it is Nintendo. Apple is already mucking up their hand-held monopoly via iOS games. Apple would do the same to any Nintendo console if they jumped into the console market.

 

This is right.   Apple probably *could* buy EA or such and give MS & Sony a run for their money but...wait... what money!?  They've both lost more money on console gaming than they've ever earned!   There is simply no way high-profit Apple is going to step into those already bloody waters only to lose money too.  Even a win would be considered a loss by shareholders.

They would definitely go after Nintendo's billions making expanded audience and seek to expand it even further.   I'd expect them to come out with a system 'core' gamers consider underpowered and overpriced but that would be super accessible, ultra-cool and sell millions at a price that would make Sony weep in envy.



 

hallowedbeeddie said:

 

So Nintendo doesn´t exist?

What have I been  playing? (:P)

OT: I do think that apple is possibly the only company that might succeed in this business (other than sony, microsoft and nintendo of course)

 

they dont need to say Nintendo because they know Apple hasn't got shit on Nintendo LMAO




Gamerace said:
Killiana1a said:

Interesting theory, which I have an opinion on.

Apple is not a stupid company by any stretch. I believe they are smarter than Microsoft when it comes to computers. Microsoft just has the advantage of colluding with Dell and other computer hardware creators to include Windows and Office in almost every single PC. Apple not having this collusion has profit margins that are higher, puts out the most desired consumer electronics in the US (iPhone, iPad and on), and has basically taken a lot of money from Nintendo DS software sales due to the success of iOS games.

Looking at Apple's culture as a company, the one persistent thing is that they have always come from the "Everyone underestimates us, we are David to Microsoft's Goliath, and I am the little guy with a chip on my shoulder" culture. Many would take this as Apple becoming the modern day Sega. In light of their products, Apple is more in tune with the American family than the counter-culture teenager whom Sega appealed to in the 1990s.

For these reasons, I don't think Apple would ever compete head-to-head with Microsoft and Sony. I think Apple would go for Nintendo's core "family friendly" market in the US. Taking a look at the demand for the iPad, iPhone and their computers amongst dads, moms, kids, and college students, Apple would give Nintendo a major run for it's money in the US market.

If anyone should fear Apple in video games, it is Nintendo. Apple is already mucking up their hand-held monopoly via iOS games. Apple would do the same to any Nintendo console if they jumped into the console market.

 

This is right.   Apple probably *could* buy EA or such and give MS & Sony a run for their money but...wait... what money!?  They've both lost more money on console gaming than they've ever earned!   There is simply no way high-profit Apple is going to step into those already bloody waters only to lose money too.  Even a win would be considered a loss by shareholders.

They would definitely go after Nintendo's billions making expanded audience and seek to expand it even further.   I'd expect them to come out with a system 'core' gamers consider underpowered and overpriced but that would be super accessible, ultra-cool and sell millions at a price that would make Sony weep in envy.

Wait, you think Apple will provide a console that will make Sony weep (do you mean because its so expensive?  You realize that everything Apple costs more.  Apple computers cost more, Apple mp3 players cost more, Apple tablets cost more.  They won't come out with something cheaper.



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Khuutra said:
Squilliam said:
liu777 said:


Apologies, but I wasn't referring to the handhelds but to home consoles. Thought that was implied. 

Its just that its common for people to forget that games are a significant part of iTunes so in a peripheral way they are involved in the game industry even though they aren't involved in the core game industry.

The iOS platform brings up an interesting conundrum as a platform for game sales; by the same token, would Valve be part of the games industry, or is this limited only to people making hardware on which sales platforms can operate? Would that make Dell part of the industry? Where is that line drawn?


Doesn't Dell own Alienware? That seems to be a pretty gaming-oriented brand to me. I would certainly say that Valve is, since they not only operate a social and distribution network, but they make games themselves.

I would argue that a company is only "in the gaming industry" so much as it invests capital for the purpose of fostering games. In this regard, Nintendo is obviously huge, since they operate two hardware platforms and a huge amount of development and publishing resources.

Apple is relatively tiny, but ramping up. Three years ago it made roughly zero investment to foster games. Now it's adding social networks (Game Center), APIs, and hardware (gyroscopes) designed with gaming in mind. It's even working with Valve to improve Mac gaming and in the next version of Mac OS will try to recreate the massive success of the App Store, which is largely driven by game sales.

If I load up the App Store right now, I see five of the top ten grossing iPad apps are games. On iPhone, it's eight out of ten. This game market first landed in Apple's lap with hardly any serious effort, but now that it's here, the company is quite aware of how important games are to its mobile platform.



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Khuutra said:
Squilliam said:

Its just that its common for people to forget that games are a significant part of iTunes so in a peripheral way they are involved in the game industry even though they aren't involved in the core game industry.

The iOS platform brings up an interesting conundrum as a platform for game sales; by the same token, would Valve be part of the games industry, or is this limited only to people making hardware on which sales platforms can operate? Would that make Dell part of the industry? Where is that line drawn?

I guess it all depends on where you draw the line. What else can I say about that really? Probably the more inclusive definitions are better considering the game industry seems to see itself as just consoles plus handhelds and that fails to incorperate even a majority of the number of people whom play games.



Tease.

I agree with both of you on that point.



famousringo said:
Khuutra said:
Squilliam said:
liu777 said:


Apologies, but I wasn't referring to the handhelds but to home consoles. Thought that was implied. 

Its just that its common for people to forget that games are a significant part of iTunes so in a peripheral way they are involved in the game industry even though they aren't involved in the core game industry.

The iOS platform brings up an interesting conundrum as a platform for game sales; by the same token, would Valve be part of the games industry, or is this limited only to people making hardware on which sales platforms can operate? Would that make Dell part of the industry? Where is that line drawn?


Doesn't Dell own Alienware? That seems to be a pretty gaming-oriented brand to me. I would certainly say that Valve is, since they not only operate a social and distribution network, but they make games themselves.

I would argue that a company is only "in the gaming industry" so much as it invests capital for the purpose of fostering games. In this regard, Nintendo is obviously huge, since they operate two hardware platforms and a huge amount of development and publishing resources.

Apple is relatively tiny, but ramping up. Three years ago it made roughly zero investment to foster games. Now it's adding social networks (Game Center), APIs, and hardware (gyroscopes) designed with gaming in mind. It's even working with Valve to improve Mac gaming and in the next version of Mac OS will try to recreate the massive success of the App Store, which is largely driven by game sales.

If I load up the App Store right now, I see five of the top ten grossing iPad apps are games. On iPhone, it's eight out of ten. This game market first landed in Apple's lap with hardly any serious effort, but now that it's here, the company is quite aware of how important games are to its mobile platform.


Yep dell owns alienware now. I hope they update their hardware specs soon they are a  bit dated for laptops comapred to the OriginPC.com ones.

OriginPC.com was started by two former people of alienware before dell owned them.  You can build like a 11K laptop with 24gb ram and dual video cards haha.



 

 

battousai147 said:

I love my mac, ive used apple computers since they were using the old g4 procecessor made by ibm, they have always been very solid pieces of hardware but more importantly the software has always been top notch, stable, fluid and very user friendly.  Now i know that most of you (from what ive read) hate apple for some reason or other, but for me their products have been second to none, and if they were to enter the gaming market they would bring one of the best engineering teams in the field of electonics, and im not just talking about product design but technology first and foremost. 

 

You know those wonderful touch screen phones that most of us use(whether its an iphone or not)  apple is the company responsible for mainstreaming that technology.  Their products are inovative, sleek, easy to use and have excellent build quality, and for the very few times i have had to use it the customer service has always been top notch, i don't see how apple entering the console market good be anything but good, through their inovation, design and resources they could push console gaming to a new level and push sony and ms to new hights as well good competion almost always breeds excellent products for the consumer, but for now, Im PS3 all the way.

Apple uses the same tech that every other company does or worse, there "ideas" are not that great and the lack of software is what really kills it on top of that apple price. The only people that truly love apple are brain dead morons that have no idea what a real PC, phone, or MP3 player is capable of doing. They sell so well because they are SHINEY, Easy to use, and Expensive. Yes expensive is an attraction for elitests.

Your silly idea that apple would "and im not just talking about product design but technology first and foremost." Is the biggest laugh I got all day. Are you honestly saying that every apple product ever made is not based on product design and flashy jangles, but the most advanced technology??? You have to be bat shit blind!

 That touch screen idea was used in ALOT of mainstream devices like the Palm Pilots, and MANY other PDA's way before apple used it, so that idea is out the window. But im guessing you have never used one since apples PDA SUCKED OUT LOUD (the newton)!

There products are copys not inovative they just show it off alot better then most companys. They are sleek thats for sure style over substance every time. Easy to use also because if they where complicated and usefull no one would buy it, they cater to morons with big wallets. The build quality is the same as every other product.. MADE IN CHINA!!! The customer service had better be good you are lining there pockets with GOLD.

 

To my final point. MS used ALOT of money to enter the console race, yes they inovated a great deal of things with the xbox 360, but they mainly copy and paisted ideas for the original xbox, minus LIVE. Live service saved there ass so much. Apple would do the same thing spent TONS of money, tons of time, and copy this generation or copy there own iphone ideas. It would not work there is to much money in the game already and apple would make a fool of its self and ruin the company. The only way i would ever advise Apple to enter the video game market (the real video game market not this casual Iphone crap) is to BUY Sony out. Go and talk with the PS team and learn as much as they can. Then next generation develope a supper console that is amazing and blows the rest of them out of the water. But that is the only way I can see Apple entering the game market this generation and not falling flat on there ass.



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