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NJ5 said:
ManusJustus said:

China is a semi-democratic communist state ...


In what way is China semi-democratic? My girlfriend is Chinese, I've been there, I know quite a few Chinese people and I never heard of any democracy there.

Incidentally I also disagree that China's regime is communist, in fact they're more capitalist than the US or any EU country in almost every significant way.

Not any?  She can't vote for the major in her city?

Semi- democratic as in not all can vote only the communist party members...  I guess..





 

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Wagram said:
jonager said:

nice, now we´ll find out some of the dirty things usa has done .


What haven't we done?


Or any other country for that matter.



NJ5 said:
ManusJustus said:

China is a semi-democratic communist state ...

In what way is China semi-democratic?

I also disagree that China's regime is communist.

Your girlfriend couldn't vote in America 100 years ago, and black people couldn't vote 150 year ago, yet America was still 'democratic' in the sense that a group of people elected government officials.  In China, 100 million members of the Communist Party vote.  Just like America's past restrictions on women and minority voting, it isn't as democratic but there is still a democratic mechanism at work.

China is a mixed economy where publically owned and privately owned businesses compete in the market.  China refers to it as Socialism with Chinese characteristics.  Its not communism as defined by Marx in 1840, but the definition of democracy, captialism, and many other political ideologies have changed a lot in their definition too.



libellule said:
libellule said:
NJ5 said:

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/11/29/an-interview-with-wikileaks-julian-assange/

"So do you have very high impact corporate stuff to release then?

Yes, but maybe not as high impact…I mean, it could take down a bank or two."

Is it a U.S. bank?

Yes, it’s a U.S. bank.

One that still exists?
Yes, a big U.S. bank.

The biggest U.S. bank?

No comment.

When will it happen?

Early next year. I won’t say more.

 

... more at the link

holyshit, if true this could completely destroy our already dead western economy ...



We are already going to have a second great depression in like a year or two, that news isnt much of a shock or catalyst of this. They gov already set things in motion by denying extended unemployment and failing to create jobs.



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MDMAniac said:
ManusJustus said:

China believes the two Koreas should be united under Seoul control.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/29/wikileaks.new.documents/index.html?hpt=T2

Thats great news.


Hahahaha. Brilliant. I <3 WikiLeaks!

To all those who said it damages US, this one serves HUGE CROW for you. Damn, imagine tension it brings between Commies, lol.

Divide et Impera!!!

Sure.  In the same way a terrorist bombing in Israel that injuries a chinese guy isn't an anti-israel attack.



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Soleron said:
MDMAniac said:

Soleron said:

And we'd save a ton of money. All the defence companies could go too.


You must be stupid. The existence and performance of military-industrial complex is exactly one of the main reasons why America became superpower and took big win from WWII. It makes sense other countries getting rid of such companies there, only american weapons are supreme anyways and it can sell more this way. But American complex should remain, it's huge deal of the whole economics. What you said makes no sense.

But why do you need the weapons? Defence is just a big drain on resources, Amercan weapons companies don't produce anything of intrinsic value unless you 'need' an army which I don't believe you do.

All those skilled people and hours could be put to use in science and general engineering for the same cost and produce something of net worth.

@Kasz216

I'm not suggesting all countries give up military power, just the stable ones under no external threat (UK, USA, France, Germany, Australia, Japan, Canada). Israel, Taiwan, former-USSR states and a number of others have excellent reasons for keeping a military.

That is an absurd idea.  Every country has a right to operate it's own military.  The military organization serves many more purposes than just combat roles.  If only people didn't take for granted the humanitarian missions and how much more we accomplish than just "invading other countries" all the time -_- 



peace_lover said:

Just read what President Ahmadinejad said about this wikileaks..., so.., soon you'll learn about this world had become..., maybe most people consider that he's a joke, but please think clearly, don't let your hate take over your mind, then you will realize.., that everything he said is true...


if you seriously believe that its just a jewish plot to harm relations between middle east countries then you are as stupid as he is.



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from a french article

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2010/11/30/wikileaks-nicolas-sarkozy-l-americain_1447153_3210.html#ens_id=1446739

about Sarkozy, the american (dog) ... a bit long but pretty funny




Time to Work !

apparently most of mid-east wants the States to bomb Iran, interesting...



MrBubbles said:
peace_lover said:

Just read what President Ahmadinejad said about this wikileaks..., so.., soon you'll learn about this world had become..., maybe most people consider that he's a joke, but please think clearly, don't let your hate take over your mind, then you will realize.., that everything he said is true...


if you seriously believe that its just a jewish plot to harm relations between middle east countries then you are as stupid as he is.


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