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pizzahut451 on 26 November 2010
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:

What? WaW was a year after MW. The CoD brand had only just built up to the monster we now know it is (basically, it still felt fresh when WaW was released). The point stands that if they can't innovate within the series which is difficult with yearly iterations, then the franchise will dwindle in popularity. This is especially true if they don't innovate but the competition does.

The series didnt really innovate ever since COD4 and ever since than the brand got bigger with every new release

As I said, it was only released 1 year after CoD4 when the hype was still strong. The hype is still strong, but if they keep this going it'll die down. My point still stands.

If the CoD series can't innovate, the series will dwindle, and with annual releases will dwindle faster than a game released every 2-3 years.

Take the Tomb Raider franchise as the perfect example. Initially very popular, they released 5 games in the PS1 gen which only evolved slightly. When they did finally try to innovate, the core team (Core Design, no pun intended) were fresh out of ideas and the competition thrived (e.g. Prince of Persia). Even with a new team creating a reimagined Tomb Raider it still wasn't at the level of the competition.


So after 4 games that are ''the same'' the hype is still strong, and not only strong, but STRONGER with every new game announcment. I find that hard to believe. People are not zombies. They will not buy identical game every year because they think 1st game was amazing. You'd think that the brand would start to fall out by now with Black Ops. I mean no one expected it to outsell Reach, but it didnt only outsell reach, but MW2 AS WELL. I think its just getting stronger IMO



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Scoobes on 27 November 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:

What? WaW was a year after MW. The CoD brand had only just built up to the monster we now know it is (basically, it still felt fresh when WaW was released). The point stands that if they can't innovate within the series which is difficult with yearly iterations, then the franchise will dwindle in popularity. This is especially true if they don't innovate but the competition does.

The series didnt really innovate ever since COD4 and ever since than the brand got bigger with every new release

As I said, it was only released 1 year after CoD4 when the hype was still strong. The hype is still strong, but if they keep this going it'll die down. My point still stands.

If the CoD series can't innovate, the series will dwindle, and with annual releases will dwindle faster than a game released every 2-3 years.

Take the Tomb Raider franchise as the perfect example. Initially very popular, they released 5 games in the PS1 gen which only evolved slightly. When they did finally try to innovate, the core team (Core Design, no pun intended) were fresh out of ideas and the competition thrived (e.g. Prince of Persia). Even with a new team creating a reimagined Tomb Raider it still wasn't at the level of the competition.


So after 4 games that are ''the same'' the hype is still strong, and not only strong, but STRONGER with every new game announcment. I find that hard to believe. People are not zombies. They will not buy identical game every year because they think 1st game was amazing. You'd think that the brand would start to fall out by now with Black Ops. I mean no one expected it to outsell Reach, but it didnt only outsell reach, but MW2 AS WELL. I think its just getting stronger IMO

That's initial sales. Even Activision believe total sales will be less than MW2.




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SmoothCriminal on 27 November 2010

I've seen it at my school.

CoD4: Everyone was talking about how amazing it was.

WaW: Only the weird fat kid who has no friends even talks about it.

MW2: Somewhere in between, a lot of hate mixed with a lot of praise

Black Ops: A general feeling of "meh, I don't really care anymore."

 

It's a small scale example, but an example nonetheless.



adsl on 27 November 2010

Here goes my example: I bought Call of Duty 3 (for my Wii) it is a good game (and have great controls). But (for me) every single Call of Duty  (and Medal of Honor)  released for the Wii are so generic and similar to the previous that I haven't bought another one until now. And probably I will buy another CoD only in the next generation.



pizzahut451 on 28 November 2010
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:

What? WaW was a year after MW. The CoD brand had only just built up to the monster we now know it is (basically, it still felt fresh when WaW was released). The point stands that if they can't innovate within the series which is difficult with yearly iterations, then the franchise will dwindle in popularity. This is especially true if they don't innovate but the competition does.

The series didnt really innovate ever since COD4 and ever since than the brand got bigger with every new release

As I said, it was only released 1 year after CoD4 when the hype was still strong. The hype is still strong, but if they keep this going it'll die down. My point still stands.

If the CoD series can't innovate, the series will dwindle, and with annual releases will dwindle faster than a game released every 2-3 years.

Take the Tomb Raider franchise as the perfect example. Initially very popular, they released 5 games in the PS1 gen which only evolved slightly. When they did finally try to innovate, the core team (Core Design, no pun intended) were fresh out of ideas and the competition thrived (e.g. Prince of Persia). Even with a new team creating a reimagined Tomb Raider it still wasn't at the level of the competition.


So after 4 games that are ''the same'' the hype is still strong, and not only strong, but STRONGER with every new game announcment. I find that hard to believe. People are not zombies. They will not buy identical game every year because they think 1st game was amazing. You'd think that the brand would start to fall out by now with Black Ops. I mean no one expected it to outsell Reach, but it didnt only outsell reach, but MW2 AS WELL. I think its just getting stronger IMO

That's initial sales. Even Activision believe total sales will be less than MW2.

The game sold almost 10 million week 1. What are you talking about? it will easly outsell MW2



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jonager on 28 November 2010

well nintendo has been doing the same with mario for decades and got away withit, if they can i can´t see why activision can´t do the same with CoD



masschamber on 28 November 2010
Squilliam said:
Jay520 said:

People hate on COD because of the underserving sales. Sure it's a great game. It may even be the best FPS of this gen. I won't argue against that. People hate on it because:

 

 

  • It sales about 10 times as much as other FPS when most feels its nowhere near 10 times as great.
  • It takes away sales from smaller games. No one likes a bully
  • It releases everywhere year with little innovation and still outsells the previous title.
The hate is understandable. They're good games though.

 

Noone cares about the 2nd or 3rd best FPS game out there. The best will always get a disproportionate quantity of attention.

Tell me, if Red Baron was the biggest flying ace in WW1, who was number 2?

Billy Mitchell Knows!

but in all seriousness  Paul Rene Fronk, 

3 was Billy Bishop

 



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NOW A PUNISHER CAB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MrT-Tar on 28 November 2010
jonager said:

well nintendo has been doing the same with mario for decades and got away withit, if they can i can´t see why activision can´t do the same with CoD

The thing is that Mario spans many genres (2d and 3d platformer, RPG, Kart Racing, various sports, etc) while CoD is only an FPS.

Since the start of Super Mario Bros in 1985, there have been 8 2d Mario Platformers (SMB, Lost Levels, SMB3, SML, SML2, SMW, NSMB, NSMBWii), averaging out as 1 game every 3.125 years.

Since the first CoD came out in 2003 and there has been 8 CoD games, excluding the Zombie ones and rereleases (CoD, CoD 2, CoD 3,  CoD MW, CoD WaW, CoD MW2, CoD MW2 Mobilised and CoD BO) averaging out as one every 0.875 years.

To do the same with CoD, we would have to see the likes of 'CoD Kart' and 'Super CoD RPG'




Scoobes on 28 November 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:

That's initial sales. Even Activision believe total sales will be less than MW2.

The game sold almost 10 million week 1. What are you talking about? it will easly outsell MW2

How exactly are week one sales indicative of long term legs? Activision believe it will sell less than Modern Warfare 2 in the long term, meaning they suspect sales will decrease more rapidly than for MW2.




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pizzahut451 on 29 November 2010
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:

That's initial sales. Even Activision believe total sales will be less than MW2.

The game sold almost 10 million week 1. What are you talking about? it will easly outsell MW2

How exactly are week one sales indicative of long term legs? Activision believe it will sell less than Modern Warfare 2 in the long term, meaning they suspect sales will decrease more rapidly than for MW2.


Only time will tell..