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Good EMEAA sales, should be an interesting holiday, kinect boost seems about right, even if about 60K. Not a bad week.



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70,000 360's in the uk for the week,not bad

just over 30,000 ps3 and wii too



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phenom08 said:

@billsalias

And you know how well they are all going to do next year how? I completely understand what your saying by the way and you have every right to make what ever prediction you want, but it sounds like your certain and that's all Im trying to correct. I would like to know who you think will lead in worldwide sales next year though.


I said "I think" and "it may be". I never said it was certain or even highly likely. I offered a theory about what may happen and some reasons that it might come true. Please go back and read my posts again if you disagree.

As far as who will lead WW total sales for next year, meaning January 1st to December 31st 2011, I think it will be PS3. I also think less then 2 million will separate all three consoles (12m-14m) so it is so in the balance that I would not bet much money on it. What I feel more confident about is that Wii will not win any one region next year. It could still come out on top by being a close second in all of them, but I think it is going to end up 3rd in EMEAA and second in Americas and Japan.

This generation sales have been so crazy though the only thing I would feel certain about is that the 360 is not going to win Japan next year, though I would not rule out it getting a little bump from 2.5k to maybe 5k per week if some of the Japanese developed Kinect games resonate.



billsalias said:
phenom08 said:

@billsalias

And you know how well they are all going to do next year how? I completely understand what your saying by the way and you have every right to make what ever prediction you want, but it sounds like your certain and that's all Im trying to correct. I would like to know who you think will lead in worldwide sales next year though.


I said "I think" and "it may be". I never said it was certain or even highly likely. I offered a theory about what may happen and some reasons that it might come true. Please go back and read my posts again if you disagree.

As far as who will lead WW total sales for next year, meaning January 1st to December 31st 2011, I think it will be PS3. I also think less then 2 million will separate all three consoles (12m-14m) so it is so in the balance that I would not bet much money on it. What I feel more confident about is that Wii will not win any one region next year. It could still come out on top by being a close second in all of them, but I think it is going to end up 3rd in EMEAA and second in Americas and Japan.

This generation sales have been so crazy though the only thing I would feel certain about is that the 360 is not going to win Japan next year, though I would not rule out it getting a little bump from 2.5k to maybe 5k per week if some of the Japanese developed Kinect games resonate.

Calender year 2010 the wii is set to do around 18 million and you expect a 4 million drop off, thats alittle unrealistic don't you think. I figured you would say the PS3, but the truth is the wii most likely won't drop off by anywhere near that much. I do see them being 2 million units within each other though, but i think you should put the wii at around 16 million and the PS3 around 14 million. We don't have to discuss the past, the past is already decided and no matter how much you may not like it the PS3 is a long way from being considered king of EMEAA( around 10 million) same with the 360, I just hate the fact that HD owners have to  resort to weekly sales to decide the leader instead of LTD sales. Do you see wii fans dethroning the ps2 as the new home console king? No



CGI-Quality said:
Torillian said:
phenom08 said:
NYANKS said:
 

I think historically GT has sold more than Halo and Gears per game on average.  So no.  And I was having fun with the "destroyer of worlds" thing. 

I know you were kidding about the destroyer part, but will GT outsell Halo Now!!! Just like playstations dominance is in the past, GT went with it.


I really don't see evidence for that idea in any of Sony's other IP's.  GoW and Ratchet and Clank both had comparable sales to previous entries of the series on PS2, I see no reason that GT is just going to magically drop in popularity when none of Sony's other IPs have done that.

I have a lot of handy bookmarks to share come post GT5 launch week.

I reckon there's a 90% plus chance you're going to get a chance to use those bookmarks.  I'll be amazed if GT5 doesn't do well in EMEAA.



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phenom08 said:
billsalias said:
phenom08 said:

@billsalias

And you know how well they are all going to do next year how? I completely understand what your saying by the way and you have every right to make what ever prediction you want, but it sounds like your certain and that's all Im trying to correct. I would like to know who you think will lead in worldwide sales next year though.


I said "I think" and "it may be". I never said it was certain or even highly likely. I offered a theory about what may happen and some reasons that it might come true. Please go back and read my posts again if you disagree.

As far as who will lead WW total sales for next year, meaning January 1st to December 31st 2011, I think it will be PS3. I also think less then 2 million will separate all three consoles (12m-14m) so it is so in the balance that I would not bet much money on it. What I feel more confident about is that Wii will not win any one region next year. It could still come out on top by being a close second in all of them, but I think it is going to end up 3rd in EMEAA and second in Americas and Japan.

This generation sales have been so crazy though the only thing I would feel certain about is that the 360 is not going to win Japan next year, though I would not rule out it getting a little bump from 2.5k to maybe 5k per week if some of the Japanese developed Kinect games resonate.

Calender year 2010 the wii is set to do around 18 million and you expect a 4 million drop off, thats alittle unrealistic don't you think. I figured you would say the PS3, but the truth is the wii most likely won't drop off by anywhere near that much. I do see them being 2 million units within each other though, but i think you should put the wii at around 16 million and the PS3 around 14 million. We don't have to discuss the past, the past is already decided and no matter how much you may not like it the PS3 is a long way from being considered king of EMEAA( around 10 million) same with the 360, I just hate the fact that HD owners have to  resort to weekly sales to decide the leader instead of LTD sales. Do you see wii fans dethroning the ps2 as the new home console king? No


18 million is far from a sure thing this year. So far Wii is actually trending below 2007 when it did 16.4 million. It's over 500k behind 2007's pace. Even with a price cut next year it probably won't do enough to reverse the situation in Japan which has gone from bad to worse. If DQ10 doesn't come out next year or the Vitality Sensor doesn't reignite sales I fear there's a very real chance that Wii may have a sub-million year there which would basically be its death knell in that region. On top of that, although Wii is not doing very well for the year overall so far I think people are too quick to forget how amazing quarter 1 was this year. The Wii had an enormous amount of momentum coming off of holiday 2009 and it translated into the Wii's best Q1 ever. Next year Wii most likely won't have nearly that much momentum coming off the holidays. Even Iwata himself has admitted, "Wii could be in trouble post-Christmas".



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postofficebuddy said:
phenom08 said:
billsalias said:
phenom08 said:

@billsalias

And you know how well they are all going to do next year how? I completely understand what your saying by the way and you have every right to make what ever prediction you want, but it sounds like your certain and that's all Im trying to correct. I would like to know who you think will lead in worldwide sales next year though.


I said "I think" and "it may be". I never said it was certain or even highly likely. I offered a theory about what may happen and some reasons that it might come true. Please go back and read my posts again if you disagree.

As far as who will lead WW total sales for next year, meaning January 1st to December 31st 2011, I think it will be PS3. I also think less then 2 million will separate all three consoles (12m-14m) so it is so in the balance that I would not bet much money on it. What I feel more confident about is that Wii will not win any one region next year. It could still come out on top by being a close second in all of them, but I think it is going to end up 3rd in EMEAA and second in Americas and Japan.

This generation sales have been so crazy though the only thing I would feel certain about is that the 360 is not going to win Japan next year, though I would not rule out it getting a little bump from 2.5k to maybe 5k per week if some of the Japanese developed Kinect games resonate.

Calender year 2010 the wii is set to do around 18 million and you expect a 4 million drop off, thats alittle unrealistic don't you think. I figured you would say the PS3, but the truth is the wii most likely won't drop off by anywhere near that much. I do see them being 2 million units within each other though, but i think you should put the wii at around 16 million and the PS3 around 14 million. We don't have to discuss the past, the past is already decided and no matter how much you may not like it the PS3 is a long way from being considered king of EMEAA( around 10 million) same with the 360, I just hate the fact that HD owners have to  resort to weekly sales to decide the leader instead of LTD sales. Do you see wii fans dethroning the ps2 as the new home console king? No


18 million is far from a sure thing this year. So far Wii is actually trending below 2007 when it did 16.4 million. It's over 500k behind 2007's pace. Even with a price cut next year it probably won't do enough to reverse the situation in Japan which has gone from bad to worse. If DQ10 doesn't come out next year or the Vitality Sensor doesn't reignite sales I fear there's a very real chance that Wii may have a sub-million year there which would basically be its death knell in that region. On top of that, although Wii is not doing very well for the year overall so far I think people are too quick to forget how amazing quarter 1 was this year. The Wii had an enormous amount of momentum coming off of holiday 2009 and it translated into the Wii's best Q1 ever. Next year Wii most likely won't have nearly that much momentum coming off the holidays. Even Iwata himself has admitted, "Wii could be in trouble post-Christmas".

About 7 million between now and december can definitely be done, im quite certain it can but 17 million is still pretty good, the point  is a 4 million drop off is pretty steep, an 2 million drop off is more likely which would lead to 15 million or the ps3's peak so how exactly is it in trouble.



phenom08 said:
postofficebuddy said:
phenom08 said:
billsalias said:
phenom08 said:

@billsalias

And you know how well they are all going to do next year how? I completely understand what your saying by the way and you have every right to make what ever prediction you want, but it sounds like your certain and that's all Im trying to correct. I would like to know who you think will lead in worldwide sales next year though.


I said "I think" and "it may be". I never said it was certain or even highly likely. I offered a theory about what may happen and some reasons that it might come true. Please go back and read my posts again if you disagree.

As far as who will lead WW total sales for next year, meaning January 1st to December 31st 2011, I think it will be PS3. I also think less then 2 million will separate all three consoles (12m-14m) so it is so in the balance that I would not bet much money on it. What I feel more confident about is that Wii will not win any one region next year. It could still come out on top by being a close second in all of them, but I think it is going to end up 3rd in EMEAA and second in Americas and Japan.

This generation sales have been so crazy though the only thing I would feel certain about is that the 360 is not going to win Japan next year, though I would not rule out it getting a little bump from 2.5k to maybe 5k per week if some of the Japanese developed Kinect games resonate.

Calender year 2010 the wii is set to do around 18 million and you expect a 4 million drop off, thats alittle unrealistic don't you think. I figured you would say the PS3, but the truth is the wii most likely won't drop off by anywhere near that much. I do see them being 2 million units within each other though, but i think you should put the wii at around 16 million and the PS3 around 14 million. We don't have to discuss the past, the past is already decided and no matter how much you may not like it the PS3 is a long way from being considered king of EMEAA( around 10 million) same with the 360, I just hate the fact that HD owners have to  resort to weekly sales to decide the leader instead of LTD sales. Do you see wii fans dethroning the ps2 as the new home console king? No


18 million is far from a sure thing this year. So far Wii is actually trending below 2007 when it did 16.4 million. It's over 500k behind 2007's pace. Even with a price cut next year it probably won't do enough to reverse the situation in Japan which has gone from bad to worse. If DQ10 doesn't come out next year or the Vitality Sensor doesn't reignite sales I fear there's a very real chance that Wii may have a sub-million year there which would basically be its death knell in that region. On top of that, although Wii is not doing very well for the year overall so far I think people are too quick to forget how amazing quarter 1 was this year. The Wii had an enormous amount of momentum coming off of holiday 2009 and it translated into the Wii's best Q1 ever. Next year Wii most likely won't have nearly that much momentum coming off the holidays. Even Iwata himself has admitted, "Wii could be in trouble post-Christmas".

About 7 million between now and december can definitely be done, im quite certain it can but 17 million is still pretty good, the point  is a 4 million drop off is pretty steep, an 2 million drop off is more likely which would lead to 15 million or the ps3's peak so how exactly is it in trouble.

Ok, lets say you are right and Wii makes it to 17 million this year, you do know that is a drop of 4.8 million compared to last year, right? So a 4 million drop does not sound so out of reach for next year does it?

To your earlier post, you seem to be under the delusion that I am biased. I have no personal investment in which console is winning in total or in any given time period. I personally own a 360 and Wii and prefer the 360 but I still admit that the PS3 is ahead of the 360 anually and is most likely going to be ahead of the 360 in total at some point.

You also seem to keep drifting off point and going to how the Wii is the leader in LTD sales. I don't care. What I am still trying to discuss is the topic I thought was interesting, are we seeing leadership in all regions changing. This is interesting for many reasons: the leading console has never dropped to second before this late in the generation, it is unpreceadented that three consoles are selling a nearly the same levels this far into a generation, different consoles leading in different regions has many far reaching implications.

I give up, you win, the Wii is the world leader and always will be and there is no reason to discuss its sales.



billsalias said:
phenom08 said:
postofficebuddy said:
phenom08 said:
billsalias said:
phenom08 said:

@billsalias

And you know how well they are all going to do next year how? I completely understand what your saying by the way and you have every right to make what ever prediction you want, but it sounds like your certain and that's all Im trying to correct. I would like to know who you think will lead in worldwide sales next year though.


I said "I think" and "it may be". I never said it was certain or even highly likely. I offered a theory about what may happen and some reasons that it might come true. Please go back and read my posts again if you disagree.

As far as who will lead WW total sales for next year, meaning January 1st to December 31st 2011, I think it will be PS3. I also think less then 2 million will separate all three consoles (12m-14m) so it is so in the balance that I would not bet much money on it. What I feel more confident about is that Wii will not win any one region next year. It could still come out on top by being a close second in all of them, but I think it is going to end up 3rd in EMEAA and second in Americas and Japan.

This generation sales have been so crazy though the only thing I would feel certain about is that the 360 is not going to win Japan next year, though I would not rule out it getting a little bump from 2.5k to maybe 5k per week if some of the Japanese developed Kinect games resonate.

Calender year 2010 the wii is set to do around 18 million and you expect a 4 million drop off, thats alittle unrealistic don't you think. I figured you would say the PS3, but the truth is the wii most likely won't drop off by anywhere near that much. I do see them being 2 million units within each other though, but i think you should put the wii at around 16 million and the PS3 around 14 million. We don't have to discuss the past, the past is already decided and no matter how much you may not like it the PS3 is a long way from being considered king of EMEAA( around 10 million) same with the 360, I just hate the fact that HD owners have to  resort to weekly sales to decide the leader instead of LTD sales. Do you see wii fans dethroning the ps2 as the new home console king? No


18 million is far from a sure thing this year. So far Wii is actually trending below 2007 when it did 16.4 million. It's over 500k behind 2007's pace. Even with a price cut next year it probably won't do enough to reverse the situation in Japan which has gone from bad to worse. If DQ10 doesn't come out next year or the Vitality Sensor doesn't reignite sales I fear there's a very real chance that Wii may have a sub-million year there which would basically be its death knell in that region. On top of that, although Wii is not doing very well for the year overall so far I think people are too quick to forget how amazing quarter 1 was this year. The Wii had an enormous amount of momentum coming off of holiday 2009 and it translated into the Wii's best Q1 ever. Next year Wii most likely won't have nearly that much momentum coming off the holidays. Even Iwata himself has admitted, "Wii could be in trouble post-Christmas".

About 7 million between now and december can definitely be done, im quite certain it can but 17 million is still pretty good, the point  is a 4 million drop off is pretty steep, an 2 million drop off is more likely which would lead to 15 million or the ps3's peak so how exactly is it in trouble.

Ok, lets say you are right and Wii makes it to 17 million this year, you do know that is a drop of 4.8 million compared to last year, right? So a 4 million drop does not sound so out of reach for next year does it?

To your earlier post, you seem to be under the delusion that I am biased. I have no personal investment in which console is winning in total or in any given time period. I personally own a 360 and Wii and prefer the 360 but I still admit that the PS3 is ahead of the 360 anually and is most likely going to be ahead of the 360 in total at some point.

You also seem to keep drifting off point and going to how the Wii is the leader in LTD sales. I don't care. What I am still trying to discuss is the topic I thought was interesting, are we seeing leadership in all regions changing. This is interesting for many reasons: the leading console has never dropped to second before this late in the generation, it is unpreceadented that three consoles are selling a nearly the same levels this far into a generation, different consoles leading in different regions has many far reaching implications.

I give up, you win, the Wii is the world leader and always will be and there is no reason to discuss its sales.

My point to you is leadership can't change until one of them overtakes the wii LTD in a region, not justa couple of months, the wii isn't the marketleader because its going to sell the most in 2010, its been doing that since its release. What were seeing now is happening because of the much more stiff competition, I agree with you on your other points though you did correctly point out that 4.8 million dropoff. As sales become smaller though the wii's dropoffs will decrease as well so 4 million drop from 17 million is pretty unlikely, the ps3 and 360 will not drop as steep as the wiis because they don't have as far to fall(MW2 had the biggest launch and drop for a reason).