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chris212223 on 12 November 2010
Siko1989 said:

Laker fan, always have been always will be. yeah i know we lost today, it happens . we will be in the NBA Finals next year anyway lol


word same here. 



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Umos-Cmos on 12 November 2010
chris212223 said:
Siko1989 said:

Laker fan, always have been always will be. yeah i know we lost today, it happens . we will be in the NBA Finals next year anyway lol


word same here. 

Man, you Lakers fans are sure spoiled. Ha ha.  Kobe and Pau on the same team?  That's almost unfair to the rest of the league.  The thing that's really scary is that in my opinion, your team is better than last years dominant team.

Can't you just let my Jazz win a series with you in the playoffs? (-:  You guys are a huge roadblock for everyone I guess.  I'd rather you win it than the Heat though.



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zexen_lowe on 12 November 2010
outlawauron said:

And the Hornets remain the only unbeaten team in the NBA. Any predictions on when their first loss will come?

Game 9 at Dallas seems like a safe bet




Notorius.A.i.G on 12 November 2010

Keep this thread alive !!!



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Umos-Cmos on 12 November 2010

How about a top 5 PGs list?  This is mine.  Share yours.

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Steve Nash
5. Russell Westbrook

That list was pretty tough to put together.  There were a lot of names that you could make an argument for namely Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, and to a lesser extent Stephen Curry.  I put Westbrook slightly above Rose because he's a better defender and a great rebounder.  Honestly it could go either way, but I had to choose.  I think this might be the most talented group of PGs ever assembled in the NBA.  Top to Bottom there is loads of talent.  What do you think?



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Kasz216 on 12 November 2010
Bladeneo said:
Kasz216 said:


Upgrades? They certainly didn't play like upgrades, Szczerbiak certainly upgraded the Cavs wide open 3 point misses I guess. Smith was solid I agree, but nothing more than that. 

Although, to comment on your edit before, I wouldn't say Shannon Brown sucks - Phil Jackson certainly doesn't think so. there's more to a player than his statistics. 

You don't usually go around badmouthing players on your team as a coach.

Joe Smith and Delonte alone was worth the entire group they traded away


A coach with balls who is respected knows when to criticize his players; Mike Brown allowed apathy to set in and refused to instill a playoff mentality when the time arrived. 

Smith and West purely from an ability stand point were worth the trade yes, but with so much money embedded in Wallace and Wally, it completely locked the Cavs into a core team that simply wasn't good enough. It was a BAD trade, there's no other way to swing it. 

Except for the fact that the trade actually gave the Cavs MORE flexability?

Which they used to get Mo Williams.

Larry Hughes was on the hook for 70 Million over 5 years.

Ben Wallace was on the team for 1.5 years.

Larry Hughes would STILL be on the team making something like 12 million.

1 year of Ben Wallace was worse then 5 of Larry Hughes?


So the Cavs gained flexibility to turn one awful SG into a mediocre one that LeBron managed to make what, a fourth choice all-star? I'm struggling to figure out where all this bullshit talk about those trades reaches the point where my original comment of 'The Cavs made awful trades' is shown to be false.

Anyway, tonights game proved yet again that the Heat need to make a trade, Anthony and Arroyo are simply not good enough to start. What is it about Miami by the way that makes the Celtics play like it's the NBA Finals?

Constantly upgrading the players around you and your financial status = Good trades.

It should be obvious.

The front office did great with what they had.


The only two things you can really fault them on trade wise is waiting a year to pull the Shaq deal and not trading Sczerbiak's expiring.

 

On actual Free Agent signings they flopped... however considering that nobody at the time even suggested that Hughes and Williams were going to be flops it's hard to fault them for it.

Well we're just going to have to agree to disagree aren't we? I find it hard to believe that in the span of six years the best player the Cavs managing to acquire was either Mo Williams, a 34 year old Jamison and a 38 year old Shaq and this, to you, translates to constant upgrades and the front office doing a great job. Upgrading from a poor player to a slightly better, but still poor player, isn't a good trade, because you've still got awful players. 

Yes, i guess we're going to have to disagree that making the best moves possible to upgrade your team  doesn't translate into constant upgrades because...

I dunno... why?  But you think so.

I mean, that's pretty much how it goes for most of the people and teams in the league.

Look at the Nuggets.  They started out with more, and improved less.

Or for that matter... the heat before they got Lebron and Wade.   Also did worse.

 

You aren't going to build a "super" team unless you get a couple really good low lottery draft picks in a row...(top 5 usually) or are at the right time at the right place with expirings.

See the Spurs.  Why did they become such a great team?   They fell into Tim Duncan.



Tayne on 12 November 2010

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Notorius.A.i.G on 12 November 2010
Umos-Cmos said:

How about a top 5 PGs list?  This is mine.  Share yours.

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Steve Nash
5. Russell Westbrook

That list was pretty tough to put together.  There were a lot of names that you could make an argument for namely Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, and to a lesser extent Stephen Curry.  I put Westbrook slightly above Rose because he's a better defender and a great rebounder.  Honestly it could go either way, but I had to choose.  I think this might be the most talented group of PGs ever assembled in the NBA.  Top to Bottom there is loads of talent.  What do you think?

Here's mine :

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Jason Kidd
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Derrick Rose 

I honestly believe that a PG order is the hardest to make.  



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Coca-Cola on 12 November 2010

no doubt my favorite player is Kevin Durant right now.  He saved U.S.A. in FIBA tournament.

check out his ride!  He plays Xbox360!

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Bladeneo on 12 November 2010
Notorius.A.i.G said:
Umos-Cmos said:

How about a top 5 PGs list?  This is mine.  Share yours.

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Steve Nash
5. Russell Westbrook

That list was pretty tough to put together.  There were a lot of names that you could make an argument for namely Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, and to a lesser extent Stephen Curry.  I put Westbrook slightly above Rose because he's a better defender and a great rebounder.  Honestly it could go either way, but I had to choose.  I think this might be the most talented group of PGs ever assembled in the NBA.  Top to Bottom there is loads of talent.  What do you think?

Here's mine :

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Jason Kidd
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Derrick Rose 

I honestly believe that a PG order is the hardest to make.  


PG really is awkward, there are so many things to gauge when you're considering who's the best; personally, I'm gonna say that a PG for me should be a creator first and a scorer second. I find it hard to rate someone like Nash in my top five because of his defensive issues. Ah well, here we go:

1. Rondo
2. Paul
3. Williams
4. Kidd
5. Rose

If John Wall continues playing like this it won't be long before he's on this list!



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