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zexen_lowe on 12 November 2010

Kevin Love 31 points and 31 rebounds, amazing, the guy's really playing well. I can't believe Toronto beat Orlando, but with Jazz beating Atlanta, it makes it all the better for us, we could get a good advantage if we beat Memphis tomorrow




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xeroxm3 on 12 November 2010
Bladeneo said:
Notorius.A.i.G said:
Umos-Cmos said:

How about a top 5 PGs list?  This is mine.  Share yours.

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Steve Nash
5. Russell Westbrook

That list was pretty tough to put together.  There were a lot of names that you could make an argument for namely Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, and to a lesser extent Stephen Curry.  I put Westbrook slightly above Rose because he's a better defender and a great rebounder.  Honestly it could go either way, but I had to choose.  I think this might be the most talented group of PGs ever assembled in the NBA.  Top to Bottom there is loads of talent.  What do you think?

Here's mine :

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Jason Kidd
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Derrick Rose 

I honestly believe that a PG order is the hardest to make.  


PG really is awkward, there are so many things to gauge when you're considering who's the best; personally, I'm gonna say that a PG for me should be a creator first and a scorer second. I find it hard to rate someone like Nash in my top five because of his defensive issues. Ah well, here we go:

1. Rondo
2. Paul
3. Williams
4. Kidd
5. Rose

If John Wall continues playing like this it won't be long before he's on this list!

I agree with you on Nash's defense being the thing that keeps him off this list.

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Derrick Rose
5. Russell Westbrook

I love Nash and Kidd but even with their great technique, vision, and 3pt shooting the new generation of PGs has been ushered in. Rondo is the best passer in the league, Paul plays the best defense, Williams is the most polished offensively, Rose is the most explosive scorer, and Westbrook is just an athletic freak still figuring out how to harness everything. Wall is about to make this debate even harder in a year or two.



Kasz216 on 12 November 2010
Notorius.A.i.G said:
Umos-Cmos said:

How about a top 5 PGs list?  This is mine.  Share yours.

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Steve Nash
5. Russell Westbrook

That list was pretty tough to put together.  There were a lot of names that you could make an argument for namely Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, and to a lesser extent Stephen Curry.  I put Westbrook slightly above Rose because he's a better defender and a great rebounder.  Honestly it could go either way, but I had to choose.  I think this might be the most talented group of PGs ever assembled in the NBA.  Top to Bottom there is loads of talent.  What do you think?

Here's mine :

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Jason Kidd
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Derrick Rose 

I honestly believe that a PG order is the hardest to make.  

I'd go

1. CP3

2. Rondo

3. Deron Williams

4.Steve Nash

5. Derek Rose.

 

Bump nash up to 2 if you count intangiables because he brings a real positive influence to the team as far as getting a lot of them to eat healthier.



chris212223 on 13 November 2010
Umos-Cmos said:
chris212223 said:
Siko1989 said:

Laker fan, always have been always will be. yeah i know we lost today, it happens . we will be in the NBA Finals next year anyway lol


word same here. 

Man, you Lakers fans are sure spoiled. Ha ha.  Kobe and Pau on the same team?  That's almost unfair to the rest of the league.  The thing that's really scary is that in my opinion, your team is better than last years dominant team.

Can't you just let my Jazz win a series with you in the playoffs? (-:  You guys are a huge roadblock for everyone I guess.  I'd rather you win it than the Heat though.

I know what you mean lol over the off-season they got a good defensive player in matt barnes and a great 3-point shooter in steve blake and they got theo ratliff who is old now but he could help guys like odom or bynum even gasol with shot-blocking techniques.



Umos-Cmos on 13 November 2010
chris212223 said:
Umos-Cmos said:
chris212223 said:
Siko1989 said:

Laker fan, always have been always will be. yeah i know we lost today, it happens . we will be in the NBA Finals next year anyway lol


word same here. 

Man, you Lakers fans are sure spoiled. Ha ha.  Kobe and Pau on the same team?  That's almost unfair to the rest of the league.  The thing that's really scary is that in my opinion, your team is better than last years dominant team.

Can't you just let my Jazz win a series with you in the playoffs? (-:  You guys are a huge roadblock for everyone I guess.  I'd rather you win it than the Heat though.

I know what you mean lol over the off-season they got a good defensive player in matt barnes and a great 3-point shooter in steve blake and they got theo ratliff who is old now but he could help guys like odom or bynum even gasol with shot-blocking techniques.

Yeah I think it's mostly your size and length on the frontline that really gives us fits.  When you can start 3 legit 7 footers that's tough for anyone to compete with.  That's why imo the biggest threat to you doesn't come from the west but from Boston.  Even though Boston is getting a little old they are still tough both mentally and physically and have the size to compete with LA.  Steve Blake was a huge upgrade at the point as well.  Farmar just didn't cut it for you.  Fisher is too old to play a lot of minutes too.  Do you think you'll touch 68-70 wins this year?



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Umos-Cmos on 13 November 2010
zexen_lowe said:

Kevin Love 31 points and 31 rebounds, amazing, the guy's really playing well. I can't believe Toronto beat Orlando, but with Jazz beating Atlanta, it makes it all the better for us, we could get a good advantage if we beat Memphis tomorrow

Seriously did you see the company he's in with that feat?  What is Minnesota thinking early on by not giving the guy more minutes?  Sure he may lack some defensive skills but the guy more than compensates with points and rebounds.  No wonder Minnesota is a mess.  It all starts at the top of the organization with a dumb owner.



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xeroxm3 on 13 November 2010

How about that other Los Angeles team? Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin are showing their stuff tonight without Baron Davis and Chris Kaman in the lineup.



Umos-Cmos on 13 November 2010
Notorius.A.i.G said:
Umos-Cmos said:

How about a top 5 PGs list?  This is mine.  Share yours.

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Steve Nash
5. Russell Westbrook

That list was pretty tough to put together.  There were a lot of names that you could make an argument for namely Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, and to a lesser extent Stephen Curry.  I put Westbrook slightly above Rose because he's a better defender and a great rebounder.  Honestly it could go either way, but I had to choose.  I think this might be the most talented group of PGs ever assembled in the NBA.  Top to Bottom there is loads of talent.  What do you think?

Here's mine :

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Jason Kidd
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Derrick Rose 

I honestly believe that a PG order is the hardest to make.  

The only one of your top 5 that I would dispute would be Jason Kidd.  I've been a fan of Kidd throughout his career because I think he exemplifies what a true PG should be, but I think he's been surpassed as a top 5 gaurd.  Top 8 maybe, but not top 5 imo.  Too bad he never had a great outside shot.



"Some of you are thinking that you won't fight. Others, that you can't fight. They all say that, until they're out there."
--
PIKMIN FAN CLUB MEMBER

chris212223 on 13 November 2010
Umos-Cmos said:
chris212223 said:
Umos-Cmos said:
chris212223 said:
Siko1989 said:

Laker fan, always have been always will be. yeah i know we lost today, it happens . we will be in the NBA Finals next year anyway lol


word same here. 

Man, you Lakers fans are sure spoiled. Ha ha.  Kobe and Pau on the same team?  That's almost unfair to the rest of the league.  The thing that's really scary is that in my opinion, your team is better than last years dominant team.

Can't you just let my Jazz win a series with you in the playoffs? (-:  You guys are a huge roadblock for everyone I guess.  I'd rather you win it than the Heat though.

I know what you mean lol over the off-season they got a good defensive player in matt barnes and a great 3-point shooter in steve blake and they got theo ratliff who is old now but he could help guys like odom or bynum even gasol with shot-blocking techniques.

Yeah I think it's mostly your size and length on the frontline that really gives us fits.  When you can start 3 legit 7 footers that's tough for anyone to compete with.  That's why imo the biggest threat to you doesn't come from the west but from Boston.  Even though Boston is getting a little old they are still tough both mentally and physically and have the size to compete with LA.  Steve Blake was a huge upgrade at the point as well.  Farmar just didn't cut it for you.  Fisher is too old to play a lot of minutes too.  Do you think you'll touch 68-70 wins this year?

Hell yeah boston gives us trouble lol despite their age they are still a BIG threat especially with rondo starting to bloom more with those assists and ray allen has been on fire as of late and that nba finals last year that was pretty dam hard to win. I also imo still see boston as the #1 team in the east and on the wins thing for the lakers hmm i think its possible but not too sure yet i think 65 wins sounds like a pretty good number



Kasz216 on 13 November 2010
Umos-Cmos said:
zexen_lowe said:

Kevin Love 31 points and 31 rebounds, amazing, the guy's really playing well. I can't believe Toronto beat Orlando, but with Jazz beating Atlanta, it makes it all the better for us, we could get a good advantage if we beat Memphis tomorrow

Seriously did you see the company he's in with that feat?  What is Minnesota thinking early on by not giving the guy more minutes?  Sure he may lack some defensive skills but the guy more than compensates with points and rebounds.  No wonder Minnesota is a mess.  It all starts at the top of the organization with a dumb owner.

It's a shame that game didn't happen after the rockets would of fleeced minnseota for Kevin Love.