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ShadowSoldier on 28 October 2010

The new generation starts in 2012 book it



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"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

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ShadowSoldier on 28 October 2010
Mr Khan said:
Reasonable said:

He's right from a developer perspective, but unless Move and Kinect reverse the trends around SW purchasing  noted by The Source, and unless Nintendo find a way to stop the Wii's declining sales, then there is going to be pressure to get new consoles out.

But... clearly development costs on PS3/360 are still steep for many developers, and while it's declining the Wii has nonetheless sold bucketloads with far less horepower than the HD twins, showing that the average consumer (if I may use that phrase) simply isn't hugely graphics/spec driven.

So... I suspect new consoles to arrive sooner than perhaps THQ would prefer, but I expect them to be less of a jump than say PS2 to PS3 and I expect a lot of focus on strong SDK development tools to really aid in lowering the cost of development for high end games.

I also expect them to build and expand on Move/Kinect/Wiimote and I expect to see existing consoles remain on the market similar to the PS2 to PS3.

This has been the position i've held, that for Sony and Microsoft, the next hardware jump is going to be more about optimization than raw power. I mean, we still haven't really seen 1080p consistent 60fps, and now we're not likely to if they instead start chasing the dragon that is 3D at a higher resolution with a decent framerate.

Sony and Microsoft move up to a more stable, optimized level, and Nintendo takes a big jump, but into the same ballpark technically. Everyone's seen the devastation that having an odd-man-out technically has dealt to the third party environment, and there's going to be strong inline pressure

Nobody gets past 2013 at the absolute latest. My updated prediction is N6 in Spring 2012, Nextbox/PS4 holiday 2012 with PS4 maybe slipping into Q1 2013

I have to agree with this. We're going to see less of a jump from a graphics standpoint and more from an optimization standpoint, with maybe the option to play in 3D



Black Women Are The Most Beautiful Women On The Planet.

"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

FlyingLotus on 28 October 2010
ShadowSoldier said:

The new generation starts in 2012 book it


For all consoles or wii? because bioshock infinite is slated for 2012.



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

its been confirmed today that GT5 has a weather system, track editor and go karts! seriously i think this is going to be the best selling in the series even beating GT3 sales of 14 million plus!

SnesTea on 28 October 2010
scottie said:
SaviorX said:

They are already aware Nintendo is to launch their next console the earliest.

They are withholding Super Wii support already!


It's THQ, was that ever in doubt?

 

Additionally, it''s THQ, was it ever important?

No, it really wasn't. lol



Degausser on 28 October 2010

 I don't expect new consoles for a while still, much like THQ. Both Xbox 360 and PS3 are going to have record years for software this year - and there's no sign of a decline thus far. While we are used to a console lifecycle naturally having software sales fall after a 'peak' I think this is more simply due to major software jumping ship to the next console.

 What I'm saying is, would the PS2 software sales have declined in the fashion they did, if the 360 / PS3 / Wii wasn't announced and FFXIII, MGS4, GTAIV etc were on it? Is this software decline people look for simply a consequence of software moving to the next platform anyway. Bit of a chicken and egg situation and I think the publishers will be taking a different approach to solving that problem this gen - by sticking with the consoles we have now and not pushing for a next gen for the reasons THQ listed.

 I don't think it's even a matter of Kinect or Move extending the life cycle, software sales will always be high if the software line ups are as strong every year as last year, or this year.

 I just don't think Microsoft or Sony have any benefit in a new console either - what could they possibly add that the current systems can't do? Graphics are at a threshold now for all intents and purposes, and we've seen they're not a huge selling feature with the Wii anyway.

  It's hard to write about Nintendo as I've really no idea what they'll do. I can't see them simply making a PS3/360 style HD console with the Wii brand so... who knows, and even if they did, I don't think it'd lead to any sort of a kneejerk reaction from Sony or Microsoft anyway.



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AbbathTheGrim on 28 October 2010

Can't wait for the iStation.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

ShadowSoldier on 29 October 2010
FlyingLotus said:
ShadowSoldier said:

The new generation starts in 2012 book it


For all consoles or wii? because bioshock infinite is slated for 2012.

For all consoles. Just because new consoles have been release don't think they stop making games for the previous Gen. Bioshock will probably drop Early 2012 and the consoles will drop late 2012



Black Women Are The Most Beautiful Women On The Planet.

"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

Frank_kc on 29 October 2010

If they released a new super Wii,  what can it do that the other 2 HD consoles cant do?



Reasonable on 29 October 2010
Mr Khan said:
Reasonable said:

He's right from a developer perspective, but unless Move and Kinect reverse the trends around SW purchasing  noted by The Source, and unless Nintendo find a way to stop the Wii's declining sales, then there is going to be pressure to get new consoles out.

But... clearly development costs on PS3/360 are still steep for many developers, and while it's declining the Wii has nonetheless sold bucketloads with far less horepower than the HD twins, showing that the average consumer (if I may use that phrase) simply isn't hugely graphics/spec driven.

So... I suspect new consoles to arrive sooner than perhaps THQ would prefer, but I expect them to be less of a jump than say PS2 to PS3 and I expect a lot of focus on strong SDK development tools to really aid in lowering the cost of development for high end games.

I also expect them to build and expand on Move/Kinect/Wiimote and I expect to see existing consoles remain on the market similar to the PS2 to PS3.

This has been the position i've held, that for Sony and Microsoft, the next hardware jump is going to be more about optimization than raw power. I mean, we still haven't really seen 1080p consistent 60fps, and now we're not likely to if they instead start chasing the dragon that is 3D at a higher resolution with a decent framerate.

Sony and Microsoft move up to a more stable, optimized level, and Nintendo takes a big jump, but into the same ballpark technically. Everyone's seen the devastation that having an odd-man-out technically has dealt to the third party environment, and there's going to be strong inline pressure

Nobody gets past 2013 at the absolute latest. My updated prediction is N6 in Spring 2012, Nextbox/PS4 holiday 2012 with PS4 maybe slipping into Q1 2013

Yup.  In some ways the tools to develop are going to become more important that the HW itself for developers going forward, and they'll be key to enabling developers to produce titles that represent big jumps over Uncharted 2 and God of War Three (or a Gears or Halo Reach) while keeping costs at a level where they have a reasonable expectation of profit.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

hikaruchan on 29 October 2010
mchaza said:

Sony already has said they are in for the long haul, dont expect an new PS4 from them until 2015

they are really backing there console as future proof and they are delievering with HD graphics, 3D the works. 

Super Wii will come out no doubt in 2012 

MS will release there new Blu Ray console OR digital distribution console in 2014 

But the PS2 was released in 2000 and PS1 wasdiscountinued in 2005, PS3was released November 2006 the PS2 most likely  will be discountunued next year under that bases and PS4 sould be out in last 2012 or 2013 but the Ps3 wull like the others be around untill about 2015. 

The 10 year plain with out replacement BS, outside of SONY just keeping there obsolete Consoles on the market for the 10Year period.

and btw if Nintendo and MS release that far ahead of SONY  starting the Next Gen the PS4 has no chance of servile with a 2015 or 2016 release date for next Gen.      



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