This metacritic list only shows how horrible both consoles preliminary games are as far as reviews are concerned. Still this doesn't disprove that Sony's move has less potential, when in truth it still has more technologically. If people want quality titles out of both peripherals, they will just have to wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7nRKU0nFxA

That's pretty cool.  I guess the Move version is to sit in the dark and make pretty pictures with the glowing balls.

You mean like this?   http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceraphin/5004586118/

Or this?   http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceraphin/5004586814/

Agreed... It's like listing Ps3 vs 360 games but excluding games like MLB The Show because it's on Ps2 or Psp. If I walk into a store thinking about getting the move and go to browse titles it supports HR wont be magically blocked out and censored.

Oh... and I don't give a shit about this website or its threads. I have visited it in a long time. I've just been curious about 4th quarter. After I get my fill in again I wont care what happens around here.

Thats not really sensible. We don't need multiple threads about the same thing. It was annoying with Forza 3 and it was annoying with KZ2. The sensible thing to do is add all motion games since this is a comparison thread and the only reason anyone would need to compare is to see what they can use their purchase for... and you can use your move to play HR.

In relation as to what to include and exclude, there are some games I am interested on your opinions about:

LBP2, Killzone 3, Sly Cooper Collection: will they be added to the Move line-up?

New Forza: Will probably be an integrated game (controller Kinect or Kinect only): will it be added to the Kinect list?

Also, by your line of reasoning Eyepet should NOT be on the Move list as it released months before the release of Move and without the functional support.

He made two sensible suggestions IMO.  My preference would be to see two tables in one thread, a table for full Move/Kinect support and a table for hybrid.  But I'd take two threads if it meant an end to the bickering.

Funny thing is, all this bickering is for two sets of fairly mediocre libraries for two new peripherals and that between both Move and Kinect there are only really a handfull of actually full on good titles.

Mind you, I just looked at Metartic for hardware reviews on the two devices, and when that table goes up I guess the shit is really going to hit the fan.

http://features.metacritic.com/features/2010/microsoft-xbox-kinect-review-roundup/

http://features.metacritic.com/features/2010/playstation-move-reviews/

The OP already declined one of his suggestions so I assumed you were talking about his other... Which to me is not a good solution.

I thought the HW reviews where already posted

No deflection intended because none needed.  Both Move and Kinect have mediocre libraries with essentially the same spread of reviews at this point - as clarified a few posts earlier in a much clearer table.  I think it's a stretch at this point to say it's seeing stronger reviews overall because I see no real evidence of that.  76 vs 74 type differences are nothing, both have terrible reviews for their boxing titles, Joy Ride would be even lower - and probably will go lower - if it weren't for a couple of clearly generous reviews and even then it's still very low.  Kung Fu Rider is flawed, The Shoot is average, etc.

In short, neither Sony nor Microsoft have started with a bang once you actually cut through any hype, marketing, launch parties, fireworks, sexy TV ads, etc.

The actual titles are in fact I'd argue potentially worrying as the majority of them appear to be titles that heavily rely on mechanics/genres already proven on the Wii - i.e. they feel cautious, safe and let's try some sports, some dancing, maybe some boxing/golf, etc.

I feel the overall LTD support for motion controls on the Wii has been spotty, and many third party developers seem to have been stumped compared to traditional controls, while Nintendo have delivered but with only a small smattering of really core motion control titles.  And that's for a console that has a higher install base and can sell more software than either PS3/360.

Let me just say I remain concerned at this point regarding the ability Sony/Microsoft (and third party developers) to do better with this wave of motion controllers than has been delivered on Wii.

Unlike many I actually do appreciate the risk MS is taking with Kinect vs Sony with Move.  Sony is playing it safe - and as a result while I kind of agree in principle with your points I doubt they will force a big franchise to use Move.  MS is taking a bigger risk.

I'm just noting that if this is the level of bickering over the launch titles I can only imagine the bickering over the hardware reviews as noted on the same site that's sourcing the reviews for this thread.

For example, it's no surprise to me Move is scoring a bit better as hardware.  Not because I'm some Sony fan - to me it's just a device like I have Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Nokia, HTC and other branded devices in my house - but because Move is the safe choice.  It's in a sense Version 2.0, building both on Sony's own experiences with EyeToy as well as Nintendo with Wii - Move is based on proven tech/approaches and as such it is pretty robust as noted.  Kinect is Version 1.0 and as a result was almost certain to see much more 'wait and see' type reviews and there would be a sense it's perhaps just a little bit less robust overall (note by robust I don't mean RROD I mean working a majority of the time in a very broad number of environments - so others please don't post "I had trouble with Move but not Kinect type stuff as individual annecdotes don't mean anything in this context").

So to be clear I'm very interested in this stuff.  I've had a Wii for ages.  I've invested in Move.  Kinect (and the very nice new 360s) have got me checking out the 360 again.  But I'm cautious that when you really get critical around motion controls there hasn't been that much substance nor innovation overall since the Wii launched.

However, on a more positive note - now all 3 consoles have motion controls I do hope to see competition plus a broader install base shake things up a little.  After all, in theory, if I develop a title that I can make work on all 3 - which should be possible although clearly Kinect would require some differences for input - I now have a huge target install base.

Even where we have Move/Kinect exclusive stuff I hope the very nature of the competition raises the bar a bit.