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The criteria of which Kinect and Move games get compared makes complete sense. You can't include scores for RE5, etc. because the Move controls were just a slapped on add on and has very little if anything to do with the scores already out for the game.

The real Move games have been scoring horribly. Sorry, but Sony really screwed the pooch with the initial Move lineup..pretty crap games up and down.

The kinect games out of the gate, on the other hand, are getting very good scores. Sales of the Kinect games are very, very good, with 3 titles in the top 23 at Amazon right now and 6 in the top 100. Move games have never even come close to selling that well, ever. Heck, the #1 selling Move title at Amazon right now is The Shoot which is at 158th on Amazon's best selling list currently.



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Boutros said:

I've always been shocked at how low Start the Party! is on metacritic. It's at 64-65 on gamerankings.

And I've played the demo at a friend's house and it was so much fun! Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of underrated?

Kung Fu Rider's score is perfect though :/


no! i believe it too, imo, it was the best designed game in Move launch.



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Seece said:
A_C_E said:
Lyrikalstylez said:

so judging both line ups.....Kinect has better games

 

 

 

therefore Kinect is better?

Yes because HR and RE5 don't 'exist' lol. I know I've already stated this but I can't stress this enough. IMHO it should be which games each motion control has not which games were built just from ground up. There is absolutely no point to this thread considering how much of an advantage Kinect has. There will never be a Kinect game that you can use a controller for but there will be many on Move and are going to be excluded so this thread wasn't very thought out at all. I'm sorry but I'm just not all for incomplete lists especially when Move's control in games are much superior to that of controllers.

Yes there will, they're in the pipeline as we speak 0_o, you can carry on all you like but it's just falling on deaf ears.

I guess the lack of reviews all round is due to the mass amount of games to review ... I wonder if some will even get a meta at this rate!!

Don't get me wrong, I do agree (half) with you so end of arguement, you win.

But I would just like to question you on something: Do you have a link for what I bolded? The reason I ask this is because I look at Kinect and in my eyes it is actually more comparable to the Wii in the software department than Wii is to Move. When a developer makes a game for the Move AND Kinect it may have the same name like NFL '12 or whatever but be two completely different games. Take Wii's versions of all multiplats it shares with the HD twins, they are much different mainly because of the control style (horse power as well). I see Kinect in the same situation and when NFL '12 comes out for Kinect (not saying it will) it will be different than the Move version which is ok BUT the Move is for PS3 and I'm sure there will be an option to either use Move or Dual Shock 3. So when that happens, Kinect will get NFL '12 on the spreadsheet but because Move shares with DS3 it won't be included, much like alot of titles for Move.

I just thought I would point out that scenario and I don't expect you to respond since you've said what needed to be said about it but like I said, I just wanted to point that out. So if you could provide a link to what I bolded that would be just dandy cuz the only thing I can find on the net is something about Epic Mickey but that already exists.



A_C_E said:
Lyrikalstylez said:

so judging both line ups.....Kinect has better games

 

 

 

therefore Kinect is better?

Yes because HR and RE5 don't 'exist' lol. I know I've already stated this but I can't stress this enough. IMHO it should be which games each motion control has not which games were built just from ground up. There is absolutely no point to this thread considering how much of an advantage Kinect has. There will never be a Kinect game that you can use a controller for but there will be many on Move and are going to be excluded so this thread wasn't very thought out at all. I'm sorry but I'm just not all for incomplete lists especially when Move's control in games are much superior to that of controllers.


But those games review scores were not given for Move. Can only include games that were reviewed using Move otherwise it is biased. The meta score of games like Heavy Rain etc were not given with Move in mind thus shouldn't count.



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Hyruken said:
A_C_E said:
Lyrikalstylez said:

so judging both line ups.....Kinect has better games

 

 

 

therefore Kinect is better?

Yes because HR and RE5 don't 'exist' lol. I know I've already stated this but I can't stress this enough. IMHO it should be which games each motion control has not which games were built just from ground up. There is absolutely no point to this thread considering how much of an advantage Kinect has. There will never be a Kinect game that you can use a controller for but there will be many on Move and are going to be excluded so this thread wasn't very thought out at all. I'm sorry but I'm just not all for incomplete lists especially when Move's control in games are much superior to that of controllers.


But those games review scores were not given for Move. Can only include games that were reviewed using Move otherwise it is biased. The meta score of games like Heavy Rain etc were not given with Move in mind thus shouldn't count.

I know and I agree as I've said above but I find this list incomplete because these games support Move but aren't on the list. We just need to wait for reviews (if any) for these games because we all know with the Move editions the scores will only tally higher then the regular editions which proves how much more functional the Move really is when implemented properly. All the Move games have low production value whereas HR/RE5 both are very good and even better with Move but whatever, hopefully reviews begin to surface for already released games and hopefully Kinect gets some good games as well.

@ jamaicamecrazy - I believe Tumble was already created before Move was implemented into it.



A_C_E said:
Hyruken said:
A_C_E said:
Lyrikalstylez said:

so judging both line ups.....Kinect has better games

 

 

 

therefore Kinect is better?

Yes because HR and RE5 don't 'exist' lol. I know I've already stated this but I can't stress this enough. IMHO it should be which games each motion control has not which games were built just from ground up. There is absolutely no point to this thread considering how much of an advantage Kinect has. There will never be a Kinect game that you can use a controller for but there will be many on Move and are going to be excluded so this thread wasn't very thought out at all. I'm sorry but I'm just not all for incomplete lists especially when Move's control in games are much superior to that of controllers.


But those games review scores were not given for Move. Can only include games that were reviewed using Move otherwise it is biased. The meta score of games like Heavy Rain etc were not given with Move in mind thus shouldn't count.

I know and I agree as I've said above but I find this list incomplete because these games support Move but aren't on the list. We just need to wait for reviews (if any) for these games because we all know with the Move editions the scores will only tally higher then the regular editions which proves how much more functional the Move really is when implemented properly. All the Move games have low production value whereas HR/RE5 both are very good and even better with Move but whatever, hopefully reviews begin to surface for already released games and hopefully Kinect gets some good games as well.

@ jamaicamecrazy - I believe Tumble was already created before Move was implemented into it.

I thought it was a Tech demo made into a game. Didnt know that, if so i certainly learned something new. I read to like page 6 and  got tired of reading so i thought id mention it. I figured it was not allowed in because it was a PSn game but wanted clarifacation.



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pachoo5 said:

The criteria of which Kinect and Move games get compared makes complete sense. You can't include scores for RE5, etc. because the Move controls were just a slapped on add on and has very little if anything to do with the scores already out for the game.

The real Move games have been scoring horribly. Sorry, but Sony really screwed the pooch with the initial Move lineup..pretty crap games up and down.

The kinect games out of the gate, on the other hand, are getting very good scores. Sales of the Kinect games are very, very good, with 3 titles in the top 23 at Amazon right now and 6 in the top 100. Move games have never even come close to selling that well, ever. Heck, the #1 selling Move title at Amazon right now is The Shoot which is at 158th on Amazon's best selling list currently.

Are we looking at the same table/scores?

Dance Central aside, the titles are fairly comparable with some good sports/adventure titles then it all starts dipping rapidly down to 60% and below.  Both Move and Kinect have clearly launched - as expected - with a library that is mostly weak - i.e the majority of titles aren't that hot.  Only a few titles on each platform are really that good at the moment and pretty much all the good titles are - surprise, surprise - in genres proven on Wii to work well with motion controls.

Neither Move nor Kinect has yet, for me, produced a signature title, although Kinect is closest with Dance Central.  To say that one library is shocking bad and the other has very good scores is just delusional.

Also, so far it would appear boxing sucks really, really badly on both Move and Kinect.

Sales are imporant, but have nothing to do with quality nor critical score.  Some of the highest scoring games ever in terms of critical reviews sell way below titles with mediocre scores.  Don't mix sales / critical scores in the same arguement it's flawed.



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Hi Seece,

I think there are at least two Move games missing:

Flight Control HD (Score: 82): http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/flight-control-hd

Tumble (Score: 74): http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/tumble/critic-reviews

I won't argue about games with Move support as an addon goodie, but these two are clearly Move games.

And I noticed your rating categories are a bit arbitrary: you combine the top ten (90-100) and next ten (80-89), but the next category is only the next five?! (75-79) and then all of a sudden follow the next 25?! (50-74)?

What about combining always groups of ten for sake of neutrality?  I hope your grouping is only accidentally and not by bias... Kinect happens to have two upper-seventies games and Move one in the lower-seventies which ends up in the same category as Kinect's two fifties games. A bit strange, huh?

So with the two games above included the more objective table would be like this:

Meta Kinect Move
90    
80 1 1
70 2 3
60 1 2
50 2 1
40   2
30 1 1

This suddenly looks much more in favor of Move, doesn't it?  But the neutrality of my categorization is undoubtedly higher.

So I would aks you to update your table accordingly. Thanks!



durbacher said:

Hi Seece,

I think there are at least two Move games missing:

Flight Control HD (Score: 82): http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/flight-control-hd

Tumble (Score: 74): http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/tumble/critic-reviews

I won't argue about games with Move support as an addon goodie, but these two are clearly Move games.

And I noticed your rating categories are a bit arbitrary: you combine the top ten (90-100) and next ten (80-89), but the next category is only the next five?! (75-79) and then all of a sudden follow the next 25?! (50-74)?

What about combining always groups of ten for sake of neutrality?  I hope your grouping is only accidentally and not by bias... Kinect happens to have two upper-seventies games and Move one in the lower-seventies which ends up in the same category as Kinect's two fifties games. A bit strange, huh?

So with the two games above included the more objective table would be like this:

Meta Kinect Move
90    
80-89 1 1
70-79 2 3
60-69 1 2
50-59 2 1
40-49   2
30-39 1 1

 

This scoring scheme does make more sense then the one used in the OP.

We can see quite clearly there is a general lack of quality launch software for both of the new motion control peripherals.