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EyeAmTJ on 22 October 2010
kowenicki said:
welshbloke said:

Ask me how long I waited to get my launch 360 even though I pre-ordered long in advance - Never mind I will tell you MARCH! and even then I had to change my order to a more expensive bundle. The robbing retail bastards.

 

 

I got mine in December 05... from a guy on Ebay for £1 more than retail!!! 

I am sooooo persuasive.

 remember it took son long to get a Pro model in stock, I had to settle for an arcade system when 360 first launched & I didn't get that until after January the next year



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EyeAmTJ on 22 October 2010
Smashchu2 said:

Most likely Microsoft is holding back shipments to show how "well" Kinect is doing.

Kinect is a big gimmick. We know the product simply doesn't work and Microsoft is spending billions of dollars to make it look better than it is (rather than put that into the product itself).

I think that Kinect will end the Microsoft game division.

 


LMFAO@U people thinking if Kinect fails Microsoft can't keep the XBOX division open...U people must think Microsoft is poor



EyeAmTJ on 22 October 2010

So when does the Dashboard update go Live officially???



Seece on 22 October 2010
EyeAmTJ said:

So when does the Dashboard update go Live officially???


26th.



 

Scoobes on 23 October 2010
Machiavellian said:

Maybe you should actually do some research instead of sprouting the "I heard someone say"  Because what you heard I think we all would like a nice link.  It's already shone that Xbox Live brought in a billion in revenue for MS last report.  That sure sounds like MS is having problems with the xbox platform bringing in the money.

 

The problem with your post is that you do not know the source and you do not know the meaning.  It was an investor from Goldman Sachs that said that MS should concentrate on their core products instead of things outside of Windows.  In other words, they state that MS should be like Oracle instead of in so many different markets.  This was one investor and pretty much everyone in the industry thought he was on another planet.  MS stocks barely even blip and no one who understand MS even cared.

The key is that MS has built the xbox brand from an upstart to a viable and profitable platform that they can now leverage with their other properties giving them more value.  With Windows Phone 7 now having Xbox Live, this will increase the sales for that device as a gaming platform.  It will also give the next Zune a nice kick as well and each platform can feed off the other and thus making each better than their individual parts.

Actually what he said was nowhere near as bad as that, and if the journalists weren't so sensationalist most people would see his recommendations actually make some sense.

He actually praised the X-box division and said it should be made independent of Microsoft as a seperate entity so that everyone involved could concentrate 100% on the X-box without higher-ups getting in the way. This also leaves Microsoft to concentrate on their more profitable ventures whilst allowing the smaller ventures to be governed more efficiently.




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Smashchu2 on 23 October 2010
Shorty11857 said:
Smashchu2 said:
Degausser said:
Smashchu2 said:
kowenicki said:
Smashchu2 said:

Most likely Microsoft is holding back shipments to show how "well" Kinect is doing.

Kinect is a big gimmick. We know the product simply doesn't work and Microsoft is spending billions of dollars to make it look better than it is (rather than put that into the product itself).

I think that Kinect will end the Microsoft game division.

 

BS...

and on top of that some lies too...

with a hint of wishful thinking at the end....

The end of Sony and Microsoft are very close.

Earlier this year, a report came out that investors wanted Microsoft to get out of unprofitable secotrs (video games being one) and focus more on Windows. Now, Microsoft is investing 500 million dollars in advertising alone. Now, think to yourself: what will happen if Kinect fails? Well, those investors might get upset with Microsoft. They may just dump their stock. Microsoft did just lose a heck of a lot of money on a silly attachment to the 360. That is a huge amount of money. Do you think Microsoft will continue the videogame pursuit after that? Probablty not.

And look at Sony. They had 3 years of loses with the PS3. They are just now trying to recoupe the loses. But the sales are not strong enough to make back the money. And most of Sony's recent experiments have failed. The PSPGo failed. The Move is failing. Are they just going to keep throwing good money after bad? Esspecially after they just had a restructuring.

Here's the truth. How long are these companies going to keep investing in areas where they only lose? How long will investors put up with it. Remember, these comapnies are not game companies. Video games are not their primary source of income. But they have been the primary source for loses.

It is wishful thinking to beleive their is a future for the Playstation and XBox.


 It's worth remembering both Sony and Microsoft have other motives then just gaming though. The Ps3 was part of the HD initiative to sell Sony HD TV's, sell Sony Blu-Ray disks, Sony HD cameras blah blah - and now they're doing the same thing with 3D. There will always be Sony gaming devices when there is tons of other Sony products which can be sold with them.

 I don't totally get Microsofts motives, but it's all about controlling the living room with their device before the PC gets replaced, or something. They had these losses lined up and accounted for long before they entered the gaming scene, so I'm sure they have a long-term strategy for this, and the 360 seems to have been too successful for them to quit now.

  It's very odd for anyone to talk about either leaving now. I mean, the consoles are profitable now, game sales are at a peak (Smashchu2: sales are down for everyone and the lowest they've ever been. I do not think anyone is peaking) and both Move and Kinect are seemingly set for big sales figures for what is cheap to produce (Compared to retail price) products. 

Times converts more than reason. As of now, there is no evidence that they are doing OK. Sony goes under a massive restructuring while their game division can produce nothing but duds. Microsoft's investors want them to get out of video games and now they are blowing 500 million dollars on marketing (not even the product. Just the promotion). Put 2 and 2 together, and you'll see that neither are doing well.

The bold is the fallacy. Did anyone think Sega was going to drop out of the console business? Probably not. But they are now. And I'm sure Sega fans aren't happy. Sony and Microsoft have less invested into games than Sega did. By that though, they'd be more inclinded to leave.

Sony and Microsoft are losing and the industry is failing. The industry was held up by Nintendo alone. When the Wii fell, so did the crumbeling structure. They will most likely leave.

Sega dropped out of the console business because their sole goal in that business was to make money; Nintendo would do the same if they were losing money. But for Sony and Microsoft it's different

@Machiavellian: Wow, what a thoughful and educated response.

I'm actually not going to respond to the rest because the first line says it all. ALL BUSINESSES ARE IN IT TO MAKE MONEY. They will stop making videogames when there is no hope of making money (which should be very soon for Sony as everything they've done for the last 6 or so years has gone south). You are right, Microsoft entered the market as a stop gap to Sony. Sony was trying to disrupt computers with the Plasytation (explaining the PS3). But the xBox tried to stop them. However, Microsoft has received investor backlash for this move as they havn't madeany money. When Kinect fails, it will be a huge mess for Microsoft and probably ruin them in consumers eyes. They will leave the market out of embassesment. But no matter what, they both will leave. You don't just have tons of loses and say "Well, let's keep trucking."



AussieGecko on 23 October 2010

@Smashchu2

Really dude you are getting old. All I can see what you are doing is you are simply trying to upgrade your grammar to seem professional. Prove once just once that Microsoft (main) investors have told MS to back out of XBOX. I doubt you will find many sources from the things that you create in your head.


Also I can pretty much guarantee you that Blu-ray wouldn't have won without the Blu-Ray being in the PS3. Game consoles aren't consoles anymore they are home entertainment  systems. And as has been stated MS is now making serious money with Xbox Live. The fact that the Windows 7 Phones have direct Xbox Live support and perhaps down the road added Xbox to phone games (if you want me to find a source I will).

Zune as itself will not beat the Itunes store. It is simply not powerful enough now that Itunes is out. If it came out before Itunes we could be talking about a different prospect. But with Zune, and people using Zune also adds more revenue opportunites. They have the service there and will eventually upgrade to the mass demand that it may attract in the future.


Also the way you are talking about Kinect doesn't seem like an opinion. It almost seems you are trying to present your opinion as fact considering you use "I think" in some of your sentences yet not when you mention Sony and Microsoft game consoles about to get the arse. Also Kinect horribly failing and burning.


Again it is getting old.

 

To all Kinect Naysayers: Play the full version with an open mind, not one you have tried in of the showings. I don't know how Kinect will do but I do know that it is trying something different. Something different might work and might fail. Why must you take so much glee in possibly failing.



 

Bet with Conegamer and Doobie_wop 

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oldschoolfool on 23 October 2010

I'll buy it,but not right away. I never buy new tech right away. I always wait for them to iron out any issues they may have. It looks like it doing really well and I hope it does.



Shorty11857 on 23 October 2010
Smashchu2 said:
Shorty11857 said:
Smashchu2 said:
Degausser said:
Smashchu2 said:
kowenicki said:
Smashchu2 said:

Most likely Microsoft is holding back shipments to show how "well" Kinect is doing.

Kinect is a big gimmick. We know the product simply doesn't work and Microsoft is spending billions of dollars to make it look better than it is (rather than put that into the product itself).

I think that Kinect will end the Microsoft game division.

 

BS...

and on top of that some lies too...

with a hint of wishful thinking at the end....

The end of Sony and Microsoft are very close.

Earlier this year, a report came out that investors wanted Microsoft to get out of unprofitable secotrs (video games being one) and focus more on Windows. Now, Microsoft is investing 500 million dollars in advertising alone. Now, think to yourself: what will happen if Kinect fails? Well, those investors might get upset with Microsoft. They may just dump their stock. Microsoft did just lose a heck of a lot of money on a silly attachment to the 360. That is a huge amount of money. Do you think Microsoft will continue the videogame pursuit after that? Probablty not.

And look at Sony. They had 3 years of loses with the PS3. They are just now trying to recoupe the loses. But the sales are not strong enough to make back the money. And most of Sony's recent experiments have failed. The PSPGo failed. The Move is failing. Are they just going to keep throwing good money after bad? Esspecially after they just had a restructuring.

Here's the truth. How long are these companies going to keep investing in areas where they only lose? How long will investors put up with it. Remember, these comapnies are not game companies. Video games are not their primary source of income. But they have been the primary source for loses.

It is wishful thinking to beleive their is a future for the Playstation and XBox.


 It's worth remembering both Sony and Microsoft have other motives then just gaming though. The Ps3 was part of the HD initiative to sell Sony HD TV's, sell Sony Blu-Ray disks, Sony HD cameras blah blah - and now they're doing the same thing with 3D. There will always be Sony gaming devices when there is tons of other Sony products which can be sold with them.

 I don't totally get Microsofts motives, but it's all about controlling the living room with their device before the PC gets replaced, or something. They had these losses lined up and accounted for long before they entered the gaming scene, so I'm sure they have a long-term strategy for this, and the 360 seems to have been too successful for them to quit now.

  It's very odd for anyone to talk about either leaving now. I mean, the consoles are profitable now, game sales are at a peak (Smashchu2: sales are down for everyone and the lowest they've ever been. I do not think anyone is peaking) and both Move and Kinect are seemingly set for big sales figures for what is cheap to produce (Compared to retail price) products. 

Times converts more than reason. As of now, there is no evidence that they are doing OK. Sony goes under a massive restructuring while their game division can produce nothing but duds. Microsoft's investors want them to get out of video games and now they are blowing 500 million dollars on marketing (not even the product. Just the promotion). Put 2 and 2 together, and you'll see that neither are doing well.

The bold is the fallacy. Did anyone think Sega was going to drop out of the console business? Probably not. But they are now. And I'm sure Sega fans aren't happy. Sony and Microsoft have less invested into games than Sega did. By that though, they'd be more inclinded to leave.

Sony and Microsoft are losing and the industry is failing. The industry was held up by Nintendo alone. When the Wii fell, so did the crumbeling structure. They will most likely leave.

Sega dropped out of the console business because their sole goal in that business was to make money; Nintendo would do the same if they were losing money. But for Sony and Microsoft it's different

@Machiavellian: Wow, what a thoughful and educated response.

I'm actually not going to respond to the rest because the first line says it all. ALL BUSINESSES ARE IN IT TO MAKE MONEY. They will stop making videogames when there is no hope of making money (which should be very soon for Sony as everything they've done for the last 6 or so years has gone south). You are right, Microsoft entered the market as a stop gap to Sony. Sony was trying to disrupt computers with the Plasytation (explaining the PS3). But the xBox tried to stop them. However, Microsoft has received investor backlash for this move as they havn't madeany money. When Kinect fails, it will be a huge mess for Microsoft and probably ruin them in consumers eyes. They will leave the market out of embassesment. But no matter what, they both will leave. You don't just have tons of loses and say "Well, let's keep trucking."


All businesses are in it to make money but for Microsoft and Sony money is simply the profit or loss that the individual division makes. For Sega and Nintendo it is, for Sony the Playstation is also used to help sell more tv and other Sony products and in the case of the PS3 it was used to push blu-ray. For Microsoft they have no reason to pull seeing as the xbox is a profitable business, xbox live makes them hundreds of millions a year, and I love the way you said "When Kinect fails", Kinect is set to be a success, sure the $500 million is a lot to spend but if they're going to spend that much I'm pretty sure they believe it will be profitable.

Even if Kinect fails, xbox live sales on xbox sales of games royalties from third party games will most likely cover it, so what reason would they have for getting rid of the 360? As long as it's making money now you keep making it, so both Microsoft and Sony are gonna keep making their consoles because what they've lost already doesn't matter, it's a sunk cost.

Next gen it's possible both could drop out but I doubt it; the 360 will most likely return a profit for microsoft so why would they not make a next one? For Sony the PS3 will probably never return a profit but unless they have something like blu ray to push next gen there's no reason for them to take huge losses again, and I'm pretty sure their investors won't let them do that, so the PS4 will most likely be profitable or near profitable at launch



toastboy44562 on 23 October 2010
Degausser said:
Smashchu2 said:
kowenicki said:
Smashchu2 said:

Most likely Microsoft is holding back shipments to show how "well" Kinect is doing.

Kinect is a big gimmick. We know the product simply doesn't work and Microsoft is spending billions of dollars to make it look better than it is (rather than put that into the product itself).

I think that Kinect will end the Microsoft game division.

 

BS...

and on top of that some lies too...

with a hint of wishful thinking at the end....

The end of Sony and Microsoft are very close.

Earlier this year, a report came out that investors wanted Microsoft to get out of unprofitable secotrs (video games being one) and focus more on Windows. Now, Microsoft is investing 500 million dollars in advertising alone. Now, think to yourself: what will happen if Kinect fails? Well, those investors might get upset with Microsoft. They may just dump their stock. Microsoft did just lose a heck of a lot of money on a silly attachment to the 360. That is a huge amount of money. Do you think Microsoft will continue the videogame pursuit after that? Probablty not.

And look at Sony. They had 3 years of loses with the PS3. They are just now trying to recoupe the loses. But the sales are not strong enough to make back the money. And most of Sony's recent experiments have failed. The PSPGo failed. The Move is failing. Are they just going to keep throwing good money after bad? Esspecially after they just had a restructuring.

Here's the truth. How long are these companies going to keep investing in areas where they only lose? How long will investors put up with it. Remember, these comapnies are not game companies. Video games are not their primary source of income. But they have been the primary source for loses.

It is wishful thinking to beleive their is a future for the Playstation and XBox.


 It's worth remembering both Sony and Microsoft have other motives then just gaming though. The Ps3 was part of the HD initiative to sell Sony HD TV's, sell Sony Blu-Ray disks, Sony HD cameras blah blah - and now they're doing the same thing with 3D. There will always be Sony gaming devices when there is tons of other Sony products which can be sold with them.

 I don't totally get Microsofts motives, but it's all about controlling the living room with their device before the PC gets replaced, or something. They had these losses lined up and accounted for long before they entered the gaming scene, so I'm sure they have a long-term strategy for this, and the 360 seems to have been too successful for them to quit now.

  It's very odd for anyone to talk about either leaving now. I mean, the consoles are profitable now, game sales are at a peak and both Move and Kinect are seemingly set for big sales figures for what is cheap to produce (Compared to retail price) products. 



microsofts goal is digital distrabution i think