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libellule on 07 October 2010
Rath said:
libellule said:
Rath said:
libellule said:
 

hi Rath,

so weird

planes are on 1 side at 1 level and they will change the temperature of the whole building ? at the same rate ?

the vertical "demolition collapse" is REALLY intriguing to me

and can you explain me the tower 7 demolition ?

It only requires the weakening of a single level for the building to collapse in that way, the one level collapses and that causes a chain reaction as each floor collapses under the momentum of the rest of them - the 'pancake' effect you can see in the videos.

The plane had enough velocity to spread fuel and fire throughout basically the entire level of the building which is all that was required.

 

Also I don't know anything about the collapse of tower 7, so you'll have to ask somebody else on that one.

but, one of the towers has been hitten in the middle of the structure

meaning the collapase should "start" at the impact point and not at the top of the building

this "suggest" that a part of the tower (impacted part) will fall while another part (safe part that is the higher part) will keep it integrity. These 2 towers parts will "behave" differently during the collapse according to their different "physic"

THEN I would expect the collapse to be disymetric and that is clearly not what we have seen the 9/11/2001

Indeed, I would assume a such "perfect" collapse had a very low probability to happen naturally (close to impossible ?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFz9TZUyIZk

As you can see the upper part of the tower is intact during the initial collapse. Of course the upper part of the tower would also collapse in the opposite direction when it hit the ground under pretty much the same mechanics.

arf, answering to you, I was looking to such a video where we were able to see the top of the building
thank you for providing me this one

also : "Of course the upper part of the tower would also collapse in the opposite direction when it hit the ground under pretty much the same mechanics."

what di u mean ?





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libellule on 07 October 2010
Farmageddon said:
libellule said:
Rath said:

It only requires the weakening of a single level for the building to collapse in that way, the one level collapses and that causes a chain reaction as each floor collapses under the momentum of the rest of them - the 'pancake' effect you can see in the videos.

The plane had enough velocity to spread fuel and fire throughout basically the entire level of the building which is all that was required.

 

Also I don't know anything about the collapse of tower 7, so you'll have to ask somebody else on that one.

but, one of the towers has been hitten in the middle of the structure

meaning the collapase should "start" at the impact point and not at the top of the building

this "suggest" that a part of the tower (impacted part) will fall while another part (safe part that is the higher part) will keep it integrity. These 2 towers parts will "behave" differently during the collapse according to their different "physic"

THEN I would expect the collapse to be disymetric and that is clearly not what we have seen the 9/11/2001

Indeed, I would assume a such "perfect" collapse had a very low probability to happen naturally (close to impossible ?)


And I, no offense intended, would assume you have no idea what you're talking about :)

Edit: To be of more use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE5vc4voST0&feature=related

See, the top does tilt. It makes perfect sense.

true

this happen for the 2 towers indeed

was not that apparent in my memorry

thank u



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libellule on 07 October 2010

BTW, about my last posts,

These point do not prove anything ... these are just interesting facts supporting the official side.



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Spankey on 07 October 2010
RageBot said:
Spankey said:

Hitler was only 3rd worst last century

no one seems to remember Mao or Stalin.

I wonder why...

Maybe the Jewish people just know how to make more of a noise about the atrocities done to them than the others.

either that or a tinfoil hat.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html


Or maybe the holocaust signifies something else than what Stalin did?

Like, you know, taking a large group of pepole, making them a different "race" and killing them all just because you think that "race" isn't human and doesn't deserve to live.

Sure, Stalin killed more russians than Hitler and his regime killed jews, but both did their horrendous deeds for different reasons.

so Mao and Stalin were better people than Hitler because even though they killed more people, they didn't get around to classifying them as a different race?

They targeted their own people the majority of the time, which to me (together with the numbers) makes it almost worse than what Hitler did. the Russians and the Chinese who were affected should (imo) learn from the Jews and be more vocal - they need to speak up more and remind the world of their story too imo. mass genocides and holocausts should not be allowed to happen again regardless of 'race'.



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numonex on 07 October 2010
Spankey said:
RageBot said:
Spankey said:

Hitler was only 3rd worst last century

no one seems to remember Mao or Stalin.

I wonder why...

Maybe the Jewish people just know how to make more of a noise about the atrocities done to them than the others.

either that or a tinfoil hat.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html


Or maybe the holocaust signifies something else than what Stalin did?

Like, you know, taking a large group of pepole, making them a different "race" and killing them all just because you think that "race" isn't human and doesn't deserve to live.

Sure, Stalin killed more russians than Hitler and his regime killed jews, but both did their horrendous deeds for different reasons.

so Mao and Stalin were better people than Hitler because even though they killed more people, they didn't get around to classifying them as a different race?

They targeted their own people the majority of the time, which to me (together with the numbers) makes it almost worse than what Hitler did. the Russians and the Chinese who were affected should (imo) learn from the Jews and be more vocal - they need to speak up more and remind the world of their story too imo. mass genocides and holocausts should not be allowed to happen again regardless of 'race'.

http://www.meforum.org/1704/deciphering-ahmadinejads-holocaust-revisionism

Holocaust denial at its roots is a Western phenomenon. In much of the United States and Europe, the Holocaust is viewed as a singularity without comparison and a story whose lessons are of vital importance to both Jews and gentiles alike. While more people perished in Stalin's gulags or Mao's Great Cultural Revolution, the methodical way in which the Holocaust was prosecuted exemplified what Hanna Arendt referred to as the "banality of evil."

Holocaust revisionism has also become increasingly popular in Arab print media. Writing in the Jordanian newspaper, Al-Arab al-Yawm, Mahmoud al-Khatib averred that the "entire Jewish state [was] built on the great Holocaust lie" and that Hitler had killed not six million but only 300,000 Jews because "they betrayed Germany."



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RageBot on 07 October 2010
Spankey said:
RageBot said:
Spankey said:

Hitler was only 3rd worst last century

no one seems to remember Mao or Stalin.

I wonder why...

Maybe the Jewish people just know how to make more of a noise about the atrocities done to them than the others.

either that or a tinfoil hat.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html


Or maybe the holocaust signifies something else than what Stalin did?

Like, you know, taking a large group of pepole, making them a different "race" and killing them all just because you think that "race" isn't human and doesn't deserve to live.

Sure, Stalin killed more russians than Hitler and his regime killed jews, but both did their horrendous deeds for different reasons.

so Mao and Stalin were better people than Hitler because even though they killed more people, they didn't get around to classifying them as a different race?

They targeted their own people the majority of the time, which to me (together with the numbers) makes it almost worse than what Hitler did. the Russians and the Chinese who were affected should (imo) learn from the Jews and be more vocal - they need to speak up more and remind the world of their story too imo. mass genocides and holocausts should not be allowed to happen again regardless of 'race'.

I've never said that Hitler was a "worst man", I said why I think the Holocaust is more talked about than Stalin's and Mao's crimes.
I've also never said that the Holocaust was "worst" than the manslaughter of Stalin and Mao (And yeah, I know that there were way more russians killed by Stalin than Jews by Hitler).

It's just that the Holocaust is a better "symbol" of problems that plague the human race - hate of others (and other stuff that I can't think about right now :P)

Oh, and just as a disclaimer, I am a Jew and most of my grandparents came from Germany, so, on a personal level, the holocaust means more to me than what Stalin and Mao did.



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Spankey on 07 October 2010
RageBot said:
Spankey said:

so Mao and Stalin were better people than Hitler because even though they killed more people, they didn't get around to classifying them as a different race?

They targeted their own people the majority of the time, which to me (together with the numbers) makes it almost worse than what Hitler did. the Russians and the Chinese who were affected should (imo) learn from the Jews and be more vocal - they need to speak up more and remind the world of their story too imo. mass genocides and holocausts should not be allowed to happen again regardless of 'race'.

I've never said that Hitler was a "worst man", I said why I think the Holocaust is more talked about than Stalin's and Mao's crimes.
I've also never said that the Holocaust was "worst" than the manslaughter of Stalin and Mao (And yeah, I know that there were way more russians killed by Stalin than Jews by Hitler).

It's just that the Holocaust is a better "symbol" of problems that plague the human race - hate of others (and other stuff that I can't think about right now :P)

Oh, and just as a disclaimer, I am a Jew and most of my grandparents came from Germany, so, on a personal level, the holocaust means more to me than what Stalin and Mao did.

Fair enough! my Grandmother was a Polish Jew so I kinda know where you're coming from (I'm not Jewish myself though)

Mass murder of any sort just bums me out lol



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tarheel91 on 07 October 2010

As someone who knows Holocaust survivors and is a mechanical engineering major, this thread disgusts me.



mhsillen on 07 October 2010
Killiana1a said:
Mr.Metralha said:

I'm still to know to this day, how 2 buildings can fall perfectly vertical like in a demolition due to a plane crashing on its side.

 

 

 

This may help clear some questions:

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/9/11/exclusive_9_11_debate_loose_change

It is a debate between the "Loose Change" directors and editors from Popular Mechanics over what caused the twin towers to fall and so forth.

The real video stream does not work on my comp, but the MPEG-4 streams well. Click "ListenWatch" for more video options.

The discussion on the twin towers start at the 45 minute mark. Preceding is the discussion on the Pentagon plane crash with discussion on Flight 93 and cell phone reception in air at the start of the debate.


Infamous documentary for doctoring the truth.  I fell for it until i researched it fully.



rocketpig on 07 October 2010

I am way too fucking hung over from last night's baseball game to deal with a thread like this today.




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