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If the Jews are so certain about their Holocaust, then why they do not allow any debate or any questions of their version? Why is the holocaust the only event which it is illegal to question? Questioning the holocaust is like questioning Christianity during the Inquisition. It is the only event not based on any facts and just a series of testimonies, many of which have been refuted and do not corroborate each other.

What are they trying to hide? Is the only way they can hide the truth is by making it illegal to ask the question? Its the lie on which 100s of billions of dollars have been swindled, and the whole nation of Palestine stolen. What about the untold Palestinian Holocaust all perpetrated to profit the Zionist cause? Imperialist wars to take over by conflict when political negotiation consent does not work. 

More and more people question the Holocaust and all the other huge events carried out in the name of Zion Imperialism. Time is running out for the Chosen people. 
Controversial David Irving dares to question the Holocaust. He has revealed that only 1 million Jews were killed, 6 million is a fabrication of the truth. Irving was sentenced to 3 years in prison in Austria, he served one year in prison for denying the Holocaust. He was only questioning the Holocaust and trying to find the truth.  
Political correctness in western society has gone mad since World War 2. The Holocaust can not even be questioned. Holocaust is very similar to 911, the Iraq Wars and other unjust Imperialist Wars in the name of Zion Imperialism or whatever you want to call it. Jar head soldiers fight these wars and they want us to accept them as heroes but they are mere pawns used by Imperialist rulers.  
The Holocaust is religious/political black mail and a tool used by Imperialists to take over sovereign Arab Middle Eastern nations. Treasure of the black gold in the Middle Eastern oil fields and the Ancient Treasures hidden away inside the great nation of Iran. 
If mass genocide is regarded as a Holocaust then there are a lot of Holocausts that go unrecorded and are never revealed. African Holocaust, Asian Holocaust, Islamic Holocaust, etc. 
9/11 was the convenient Holocaust that justified the Middle Eastern Wars. Imperialist nations have constantly  raged wars and invaded other nations under false pretences.  Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Mongols, Barbarians, Vikings, Turkish, British and America Imperialists, etc  Imperialist Empires are nothing more than bullies, thieves, liars and cowards.  
The Two Towers represented Isis and Osrisis two ancient gods linked to the Ancient Egyptians. Twin towers were a religious/political/economical power worshipped. 9/11 the trigger to a never ending Holy War in the name of Israel. A new temple will be built in the City of Jerusalem. 
BTW: The truth: motive behind the big events will never be revealed to the public. 

 



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Rath said:

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One is free to ask questions, likewise the Government or anyone with first-hand knowledge of the event is free to respond in any manner they choose including ignoring one completely by being silent . Silence is speech and speech is protected under the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Citing a known Nazi sympathizer and antisemite in David Irving is not a credible way to ask a question. Such a source suggests one has already made up their mind and will not accept any evidence to the contrary that which does not confirm their view of the situation.

Thus, it is pointless in answering questions because if one already has their mind made up and cannot be persuaded to see another's point of view, it is no longer a discussion between two sensible individuals. It is an inquisition where one party constantly harasses the other party with questions and will take any straw of evidence and distort it just to confirm their view, which is not open to persuasion.

I myself stay away from conspiracy theories entirely. Conspiracy theorists including Jim Marrs are masters of confusing correlation with causation. Correlation is when two, unrelated events coincide. Causation is the cause of one event. Henceforth, conspiracy theories as a matter of intellectual inquiry are entirely invalid on their face because they cannot prove causation to back up their correlation. To prove anything you need causation to link A to B, B to C, C to D, and on. With correlation and all conspiracy theories all you have is A, B, C, D = E with no causal linkage explaining when and how A leads to B, how B leads to C, how C leads to D, and so forth.

I respect intellectual inquiry, but it needs to be backed up if one is making the claim that a significant world event was fabricated by a government for whatever reason.



numonex said:
If the Jews are so certain about their Holocaust, then why they do not allow any debate or any questions of their version? Why is the holocaust the only event which it is illegal to question? Questioning the holocaust is like questioning Christianity during the Inquisition. It is the only event not based on any facts and just a series of testimonies, many of which have been refuted and do not corroborate each other.

What are they trying to hide? Is the only way they can hide the truth is by making it illegal to ask the question? Its the lie on which 100s of billions of dollars have been swindled, and the whole nation of Palestine stolen. What about the untold Palestinian Holocaust all perpetrated to profit the Zionist cause? Imperialist wars to take over by conflict when political negotiation consent does not work. 

More and more people question the Holocaust and all the other huge events carried out in the name of Zion Imperialism. Time is running out for the Chosen people. 
Controversial David Irving dares to question the Holocaust. He has revealed that only 1 million Jews were killed, 6 million is a fabrication of the truth. Irving was sentenced to 3 years in prison in Austria, he served one year in prison for denying the Holocaust. He was only questioning the Holocaust and trying to find the truth.  
Political correctness in western society has gone mad since World War 2. The Holocaust can not even be questioned. Holocaust is very similar to 911, the Iraq Wars and other unjust Imperialist Wars in the name of Zion Imperialism or whatever you want to call it. Jar head soldiers fight these wars and they want us to accept them as heroes but they are mere pawns used by Imperialist rulers.  
The Holocaust is religious/political black mail and a tool used by Imperialists to take over sovereign Arab Middle Eastern nations. Treasure of the black gold in the Middle Eastern oil fields and the Ancient Treasures hidden away inside the great nation of Iran. 
If mass genocide is regarded as a Holocaust then there are a lot of Holocausts that go unrecorded and are never revealed. African Holocaust, Asian Holocaust, Islamic Holocaust, etc. 
9/11 was the convenient Holocaust that justified the Middle Eastern Wars. Imperialist nations have constantly  raged wars and invaded other nations under false pretences.  Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Mongols, Barbarians, Vikings, Turkish, British and America Imperialists, etc  Imperialist Empires are nothing more than bullies, thieves, liars and cowards.  
The Two Towers represented Isis and Osrisis two ancient gods linked to the Ancient Egyptians. Twin towers were a religious/political/economical power worshipped. 9/11 the trigger to a never ending Holy War in the name of Israel. A new temple will be built in the City of Jerusalem. 
Critical thinking about:  911 and the Holocaust are discouraged. Does not sound like free speech and democracy. What skeletons are "they"* hiding in their closet?
*"they" invisible elites and secret societies/cults.
BTW: The truth: motive behind the big events will never be revealed to the public. 

 

Stop talking about things you have no idea about. Not based on facts?? Have you ever been to Auschwitz? The mountains of glasses, of shoes, the furnaces where they burned people? Have you seen the hundreds of corpses?

Did you ever talk to anybody who lived during that time? You didn't. Almost every person over 80 in Germany knows somebody who has been put into a concentration camp. Not only Jews, also homosexuals, disabled persons, social democrats, communists and everyone who disagreed were killed.

I have a letter from the late 1930s from the Nazi-Government that says Jews have to be killed. A letter! There are videos from the Warshaw ghetto and the things the Nazis did. Videos!

How come Germany had half a million citizens of Jewish faith before the second world war but hardly some 10,000 after? And I'm not even going to talk about the rest of Europe!

Did you ever read Hitler's "Mein Kampf"? Don't you know about the hundreds of thousands of people who left Europe and took refuge in the US? Do you think they left their homes just because the felt like it?

If you ever take a trip to Europe visit the right places and see the facts for yourself. They are undisputable.

Feel free to answer with shit to this post and if I feel like you're worth it I'm gonna post pictures of a "Yellow Star", of the letter I mentioned, etc.

You are disgusting, really. Using other peoples suffering for your stupid political agenda and violating the mementos of millions of dead people.



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I'm still to know to this day, how 2 buildings can fall perfectly vertical like in a demolition due to a plane crashing on its side.

 

 

 



I think you are paranoid. I have it sometimes.

Also, his case isn't unique that's how people are. Galileo got persecuted because he said the earth wasn't the center of the universe.

Look, 9/11 didn't justify the war with Iraq in my and lots of other peoples opinion, And I believe it happened.

If you show evidence or I find evidence, or something to the contrary of what is commonly accepted ,fine. Obviously I won't deny that.

There are tons of holocaust's or attrocities that don't get attention the holocaust got such as what the Japanese did in Nan King (i'm Japanese btw), Mugabe's Attrocities etc. But that doesn't mean the holocaust wasn't a disaster.

If someone is going to spout nonsense without evidence. They are as useless as a crazy person. If person A spouts nonsense, without any evidence, or the only evidence is "OMGZ, they're denying me access". It's like I saying I think flatchested females a man. Let me see inside her pants or she is a man. If person B, has video evidence. Yes I'm going to believ them, Could it be fabricated yes. It's still better evidence than crazy person has.

If the government is so powerful that no actual evidence can be leaked by the internet or anyone inside the government. Or there is an illuminati or something. Then it really doesn't matter if the government is lieing, we're fucked anyways.



Mr.Metralha said:

I'm still to know to this day, how 2 buildings can fall perfectly vertical like in a demolition due to a plane crashing on its side.

 

 

 


The planes didn't knock them over like dominoes. The fuel from the planes was sufficient to weaken the structures to the point where the weight of the building above was more than the structure could hold, therefore the building collapsed at these points. After that it was all a matter of momentum, each floor couldn't possibly take the force of all of the above floors falling on it, so therefore they pancaked.

 

Edit: To clarify, the verticle collapse was because by far the most significant force acting on the buildings at the time of the collapse was gravity.

 

Edit: Also to me personally the reason why the Holocaust was probably the worst crime in the history of humanity was because of how and why it was done. It wasn't to secure power or to win a war, it was simply for the purpose of wiping out a race. On top of that it was done in such a machine like fashion, there is something far more horrifying to me about killing with such efficiency.



Mr.Metralha said:

I'm still to know to this day, how 2 buildings can fall perfectly vertical like in a demolition due to a plane crashing on its side.

 

 

 

This may help clear some questions:

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/9/11/exclusive_9_11_debate_loose_change

It is a debate between the "Loose Change" directors and editors from Popular Mechanics over what caused the twin towers to fall and so forth.

The real video stream does not work on my comp, but the MPEG-4 streams well. Click "ListenWatch" for more video options.

The discussion on the twin towers start at the 45 minute mark. Preceding is the discussion on the Pentagon plane crash with discussion on Flight 93 and cell phone reception in air at the start of the debate.



Rath said:
Mr.Metralha said:

I'm still to know to this day, how 2 buildings can fall perfectly vertical like in a demolition due to a plane crashing on its side.

 

 

 


The planes didn't knock them over like dominoes. The fuel from the planes was sufficient to weaken the structures to the point where the weight of the building above was more than the structure could hold, therefore the building collapsed at these points. After that it was all a matter of momentum, each floor couldn't possibly take the force of all of the above floors falling on it, so therefore they pancaked.

 

Edit: To clarify, the verticle collapse was because by far the most significant force acting on the buildings at the time of the collapse was gravity.

 

Edit: Also to me personally the reason why the Holocaust was probably the worst crime in the history of humanity was because of how and why it was done. It wasn't to secure power or to win a war, it was simply for the purpose of wiping out a race. On top of that it was done in such a machine like fashion, there is something far more horrifying to me about killing with such efficiency.

hi Rath,

so weird

planes are on 1 side at 1 level and they will change the temperature of the whole building ? at the same rate ?

the vertical "demolition collapse" is REALLY intriguing to me

and can you explain me the tower 7 demolition ?



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