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Maybe you were thinking about "the no child left behind act" but that was truly a huge funding to be honest. Because we had high failing rates. And federal goverment pass this act which helped states open programs that will help students pass like "plato". 



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sweetoothj said:

Maybe you were thinking about "the no child left behind act" but that was truly a huge funding to be honest. Because we had high failing rates. And federal goverment pass this act which helped states open programs that will help students pass like "plato". 


What program that used to be run local, that the federal government has taken over, is now run better, or cheeper?

Healthcare (medicare/medicaid), Education (cost vs how much goes to teaching), social security, anything...

I can not see how the federal government running anything, will make it better. There are things they should run for other reasons (like the military), but they don't do it cheeper, or better. A private firm would create a much better military for far cheeper, but I don't want a private firm with an army, so glad it's not done that way.



mrstickball said:


 

 

Do you realize that when we raise the minimum wage, we're going to have more unemployment and a higher cost of goods for basic needs that those on minimum/low wages rely on? Why not raise minimum wage to $50/hr? I mean, $50 is a more livable wage than $10, right?



The minimum wage has nothing to do with with inflation or, as you put it, higher cost of goods. Inflation happens when there is too much money chasing too little goods. For example, when the government of Weimar Germany was in so much debt after WWI, it simply printed billions of marks to pay off the debts, and that caused the value of the currency to decrease, which led to the mass inflation which was seen.

It's no different than the US going from the largest creditor nation to the largest debtor nation during the Reagan era. As a result of this, the treasury began to function like a printing press, which continues to this day. When the US govt. owes money to foreign governments, it simply prints more of it, which causes the value of the US dollar to decrease.

But you actually already have it your way, because the minimum wage has actually decreased in real dollars since the late 1970's while the pay of CEO's and high level executives has skyrocketed. In many ways, a minimum wage is actually a maximum wage that employers are willing to pay while the top 1-5% are allowed to make an almost unlimited amount of money. Raising the minimum wage would not cause inflation to increase, it would just mean that more of the wealth would go the the middle and lower class instead of into the pockets of the top earners. For example, if the executives who ran Wal-mart were to take a 10% pay cut(which would give them far more money than anyone could reasonably ever spend. I mean, how many mansions and cars does one person need?), then the rest of the employees could make $18/hour and have full heathcare benefits and a full pension.



 

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TheRealMafoo said:


What program that used to be run local, that the federal government has taken over, is now run better, or cheeper?

Healthcare (medicare/medicaid), Education (cost vs how much goes to teaching), social security, anything...

I can not see how the federal government running anything, will make it better. There are things they should run for other reasons (like the military), but they don't do it cheeper, or better. A private firm would create a much better military for far cheeper, but I don't want a private firm with an army, so glad it's not done that way.

Contrary to popular belief, one of the problems with America is not that there's too much government, but that there's not enough government.

The deregulation of banks and other savings & loan institutions is the major cause of the current financial crisis. Most of the mortgage fraud was actually perpetrated not by the borrowers, but by the lenders via predatory lending, but what do you expect with no government oversight?

Why do you think that 1/6 of the US population has no healthcare? Why do you think that 18,000 americans die every year due to lack of healthcare? Why do you think that we have infants dying due to being refused access to emergency rooms because they didn't go to an in-network hospital? Why do you think people who really need healthcare, such as people with diabetes, asthma, mental illneses, cancer, etc, are denied coverage?

All corporations and other private firms care about is profits, which means that health insurance companies are not there to provide people with the healthcare that they need. Instead they have a vested interest in denying claims and making sure that their customers don't get the care that they need.

This is what happens when we put corporations in charge of jobs that the government should be doing.

 



 

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     No, the reason why I want education control by Federal so it can be same curriculum across the board. I truly wished that I had an education in High school where it was the same level as you will get in the northern states. To pass high school in  the state of Texas,  you have to pass TAKS. Taks is basically what you learn in elementary in the northern states. I`m not kidding you can look that up.

     States want to pass everyone so bad that they dumb down their education program. But I do agree with you in terms of states and federal should  share  power. The problem is the 10th amendment never was specific on what power states have.

 

 

P.S. sorry for grammar errors, but in my defence it is so early in the morning.



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sweetoothj said:

     No, the reason why I want education control by Federal so it can be same curriculum across the board. I truly wished that I had an education in High school where it was the same level as you will get in the northern states. To pass high school in  the state of Texas,  you have to pass TAKS. Taks is basically what you learn in elementary in the northern states. I`m not kidding you can look that up.

     States want to pass everyone so bad that they dumb down their education program. But I do agree with you in terms of states and federal should  share  power. The problem is the 10th amendment never was specific on what power states have.

 

 

P.S. sorry for grammar errors, but in my defence it is so early in the morning.


And you had poor education :P

But, seriously, that's more of a matter of having an unified curriculum or something, I think you could have that and still have the system being mostly controlled by states.



Lord N said:
TheRealMafoo said:
 


What program that used to be run local, that the federal government has taken over, is now run better, or cheeper?

Healthcare (medicare/medicaid), Education (cost vs how much goes to teaching), social security, anything...

I can not see how the federal government running anything, will make it better. There are things they should run for other reasons (like the military), but they don't do it cheeper, or better. A private firm would create a much better military for far cheeper, but I don't want a private firm with an army, so glad it's not done that way.

Contrary to popular belief, one of the problems with America is not that there's too much government, but that there's not enough government.

The deregulation of banks and other savings & loan institutions is the major cause of the current financial crisis. Most of the mortgage fraud was actually perpetrated not by the borrowers, but by the lenders via predatory lending, but what do you expect with no government oversight?

Why do you think that 1/6 of the US population has no healthcare? Why do you think that 18,000 americans die every year due to lack of healthcare? Why do you think that we have infants dying due to being refused access to emergency rooms because they didn't go to an in-network hospital? Why do you think people who really need healthcare, such as people with diabetes, asthma, mental illneses, cancer, etc, are denied coverage?

All corporations and other private firms care about is profits, which means that health insurance companies are not there to provide people with the healthcare that they need. Instead they have a vested interest in denying claims and making sure that their customers don't get the care that they need.

This is what happens when we put corporations in charge of jobs that the government should be doing.

 

Wow, so wrong...

The short story. Government strong armed banks to loan money to people who could not otherwise get a loan, because those so-called "predatory lenders" would not give them a loan otherwise. If the Government had stayed out of it, people who should not get a loan would not have gotten a loan.

Everyone in the US has healthcare. Some just don't have health insurance. There not the same thing. There are free clinics all over the place. More then half of the 1/6 that don't have insurance, don't due to choice. Soon everyone will have healthcare provided by the government, but thanks to the government, the care that we all will get will suck compared to today. 

The good news, is all corporations and other private firms care about is profits. You know how they get profit? They get your money. The way they get your money, is providing a better product or survice then the other guy who wants your money. The only time that breaks down (like living in a state where there are only two insurance companies), is when the government gets involved.

Currently, the profit margen on the health insurance industry is 7%. That means fr every $100 you give them, $93 goes to a doctor, hospital, drug company, or whomever. Do you really think that for every $100 you give the government for healthcare, $93 of it will make it into the medical community? If you think so, you're smoking crack.