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zzamaro said:
Cobra_ said:

I don't think Iwata is arrogant at all. Exactly the opposite actually - I think he is very humble, able to make some sense instead of trying to hype his gaming devices with stupid remarks about giant enemy crabs, and he damn well knows what he's talking about.

 

nordlead said:

I think Nintendo is being honest, not arogant. Every company charges as much as they think the consumer will pay based on inputs the company receives. Let's look at some examples.

Arogance: 5m people will buy my $600 device without even having games for it

Honesty: we priced the system on a range of factors including customer interest (at E3 or not)


Yeah, I like that but I think we shouldn't be punshied because they amazed with this handheld. Anyway, I hope Nintendo bundles it with Zelda OoT. That'd be killer.

I apologize if someone felt offended by my topic.

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It's not punished as much as just showing that they could sustain that price, which in this economy, they could not have risked without such assurance, but also need due to this economy cutting into their profits and stock prices.



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there isn't anything wrong with their price or presentation. however, hitting their 4 million shipped target (record setting by the way) will be difficult, especially since so far, their only killer app is nintendogs. hope they announce another soon.

edit: forgot about mario kart. nintendo's being fucking MODEST now.



TheConduit said:

$250 American dollars sounds reasonable considering the

step up in graphics

3D visuals

Stellar launch line-up

Popularity of the last DS console

They will probable have a $50 price drop early on in the consoles life so no need to worry


Where does it say $250? It said $300 in that gamestop article.

I think that's way too much for a handheld. $300 is what a home console should start at.



raptors11 said:
TheConduit said:

$250 American dollars sounds reasonable considering the

step up in graphics

3D visuals

Stellar launch line-up

Popularity of the last DS console

They will probable have a $50 price drop early on in the consoles life so no need to worry


Where does it say $250? It said $300 in that gamestop article.

I think that's way too much for a handheld. $300 is what a home console should start at.

it said 250,000 YEN (300USD) in the article, to be precise. however, traditionally, nintendo likes to set the yen and USD exchange rates differently than global does, so 250 USD is very much in the ballpark (though 300 isn't out either). and it's very nice of you to give your opinion on how much things are worth, but you don't set prices. the market does, and nintendo is just guesstimating what they think market will pay.



raptors11 said:
TheConduit said:

$250 American dollars sounds reasonable considering the

step up in graphics

3D visuals

Stellar launch line-up

Popularity of the last DS console

They will probable have a $50 price drop early on in the consoles life so no need to worry


Where does it say $250? It said $300 in that gamestop article.

I think that's way too much for a handheld. $300 is what a home console should start at.

They're doing an exact exchange rate on the known Japanese price of 25,000. Pound-for-pound, America has usually paid less than Europe or Japan.

If it's 25,000 Yen, $250, and 250 Euros, Americans will be paying the least by a good stretch (Japan would pay $300 and mainland Europe $350 or so. Britain might pay upwards of 400 USD)



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They don't need to price it low. They have no competition. Theres no PSP 2. They can also price discriminate. If you're cheap you can buy a DS. If you're cheap and already have a DS you can wait. If you want it now you can pay out of the nose to have the luxury of buying it before anyone else does. I don't really see why they would rush a lower price point.



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Mr Khan said:
raptors11 said:
TheConduit said:

$250 American dollars sounds reasonable considering the

step up in graphics

3D visuals

Stellar launch line-up

Popularity of the last DS console

They will probable have a $50 price drop early on in the consoles life so no need to worry


Where does it say $250? It said $300 in that gamestop article.

I think that's way too much for a handheld. $300 is what a home console should start at.

They're doing an exact exchange rate on the known Japanese price of 25,000. Pound-for-pound, America has usually paid less than Europe or Japan.

If it's 25,000 Yen, $250, and 250 Euros, Americans will be paying the least by a good stretch (Japan would pay $300 and mainland Europe $350 or so. Britain might pay upwards of 400 USD)

All right cool. Thanks for explaining.



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loves2splooge said:
intro94 said:
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I think Nintendo are getting pretty cocky right now. The 3DS will most likely debut at $250 US, which is still way too expensive. Systems are always priced a good bit lower in the states than in Japan so it`s not a straight rate conversion (so I strongly doubt we`ll see a $300 US 3DS).

For the hardcore Nintendo fans 15 plus (the minority) , I think many of them will be willing to put down $250. Some obviously aren`t given the response we`ve seen online. But many would.

For Nintendo fans under 15, it`s doubtful that their soccer moms will buy a $250 handheld for them. Without the `Nintendo kid` and `soccer mom` demographics, Nintendo is screwed. You can`t rely on only the hardcore 15 Nintendo crowd. Even the Game Cube had to rely on kids to get the support it got and it was the 3rd place console in the west that gen.

you sir, are an ignorant.A chunk of the handheld nintendo market, the largest part , is composed of previous nintendo owners.GB, GBC, and GBA, who then got DS and obviously look foward the 3ds.If you look at the sales of gb or gba you can tell the portion of market that moved is into the dozens of millions, with the ds adding a little extra casual padding.Kids that didnt play gba, and gb(under 15 crowd)  ARE NOT nintendos target, they are sonys hope, because they have no brand loyalty or tradition with nintendo.So dont label that huge chunk of grown up people as minority. 2ndly, for the moms and dads, well, they spend 300-because its the cool thing to own and peer pressure -on iphones for their kids, so that didnt stop them.Also, the similar pricing didnt stop parents from getting psps for their kids.Kids make their parents buy that stuff.Trust me, if a kid made a parent get them a psp for 250 5 years ago, 50 dollars arent gonna make a difference in 2011.

Older hardcore Nintendo fans are not Nintendo's bread and butter. Anyone that is aware of Nintendo's recent successes on the DS and Wii front is aware of that. Like it or not, the casual crowd was key to Nintendo's success this generation. And like I said, even Gamecube had the support of children. And if you look at software sales and what gets stocks on shelves, it's very clear that casuals are the bread and butter. When the 3DS comes out, the core Nintendo camp will buy it like crazy at launch. And then the sales will drop off sharply. Until it gets to the sweet spot price point for handheld. Which is gonna take awhile.

I predict that the 3DS is going to be a late bloomer (like the PS3 but more successful due to the lack of competition in the western handheld market). It's going to take awhile for the 3DS technology to be cheap enough for Nintendo to hit that sweet spot price point. When it finally does, it'll be very popular. The 3DS is ahead of it's time and was released prematurely. There was no need to rush out a successor. The DS was still going strong up until the 3DS got announced (just look at the figures). And if it wasn't for the premature 3DS announcement this year, the DS wouldn't have dropped off this year hardware and software sales wise (and even then, it's still doing very well). Sony isn't a threat. Apple doesn't threaten their market. They could have waited until the 3DS tech was cheap enough to launch it at a reasonable price point.

Buying a freakin iPhone for your child (along with the expensive contract that comes with it) is not the norm. In North American culture, this kind of indulgence is looked down upon.

As for the PSP, the main reason why it's not that successful in North America in the first place has to do with the fact that the DS is cheaper and thus much more attractive to parents. Teenagers and adults with disposable income were mainly the PSP's target audience. Not children. But that didn't work out for Sony because in North America (except for major urban centers like New York City) most teenagers over 16 and adults drive a car. In Tokyo and other urban centers in Japan, where salarymen take the subway and bus, the PSP is a strong no.2 and a real threat to Nintendo. But the Japanese market's volume is drowned out by the massiveness of the North American and European markets so Japan doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things anymore.

Now that the PSP is more reasonably priced, they're trying to market to the pre-teen crowd (Marcus campaign) as a "cooler big boy" alternative to Nintendo. You can get a PSP-3000 with Modnation Racers bundle for $170. Which is a pretty decent deal for kids. Though I think Sony should thrown in a 2 GB memory stick pro duo too at that price to make the PSP more attractive.

i wont disagree in the points you noted , but while parents are frowned upon buying expensive phones and gizmos for their barely able to handle kids at some point they do,specially if the income is good.I also dont pull my ideas of psp markets out of anecdotal evidence, as if i follow what ive seen, id confirm that kids love to ask their parents psp*specially young teen boys*, due to the cool factor. However, by checking most surveys the results show that the age gaps between the DS consumer and PSP isnt noticeable, and its been stablished that ADULTS are the  majority of the market in the end, even if young kids are a good chunk( i believe it was something around 60% from 12-30 in rough terms).Is not shocking to me, and certainly not what wed come to expect if we follow forum wars. The amount of adults owners of DS following games like Layton is huge, and in japan, i wouldnt be surprised if surveys showed similar results. I wont disagree that casual is a big DS market, if not biggest, but casual does not equals kids market. Nintendo loves parents to buy ds for their kids, but in the manner of sales, is not what it has come down to in the end.Lots of adults have been buying DS for their gaming needs. Also, if you really want to be lieve that the, what, 60 millions of gba users were not interested in following trend with the DS and its backwards ability, you are doing it wrong. If you wanted to label GBA owners as kids, then how would you lable them years laters as consequential DS owners?time passes, brand loyalty remains, sequels of GBA biggest hits most likely will hit Nintendo*doh*, so they wont buy Sony products. Same goes for 3ds. Mario and luigi, Mario kart, they all follow trend on next nintendos console.And sure, you could be a kid owner of GBA, but 10 years later, you arent.

the case of the 3ds is very unique and different from PSP or PS3.You have to account for everything. Just remember nintendo has a huge market from the past that is loyal, its much older and backwards compatible. GB   has been since antiquity. However, the  new gamers that were drawn to flashier looks and overall appeal of games like NFS(on the PSP)r Assasins creed, will also have their games on the nintendo system. Theres the tradition, the casuals, the kids, the old PSP market(AC, MG, DOA,etc and much more afterwards).Again, if PSP once priced, without the weapons 3ds is sporting now, that price, and still did fairly well*on par with previous nintendo handleds*, nintendo SURELY can do so and be twice as succesful.



Honestly. I do think they are. The price in Japan is high and it's not going to fair well if that same price point hits the west. Nintendos not alone though, many companies are arrogant nowadays because they had great success in previous gens.

Sony was arrogant and they admitted it, but look how far they have come with the PS3. 2-3 years ago the PS3 was jack but now it has arguably one of the best libraries of the current gen and even previous gens.