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remakes are only good if you missed out on the original or you miss having the original.

e.g I missed out on Ico/sotc but can't be arsed searching for them but since they are being rereleased, I'll look into them.



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Couldn't have said it better myself; I resent the notion that games need to be 'hi-fi' to be relevant, and that old games subsequently need to be remade. Yes, technology has been historically limited, and the design of old games reflect that - which is the entire point of keeping these games, and the limitations that spurred their creativity, intact.

I will point out that the manpower and resources allocated to this project probably do not take away from Nintendo's other projects.

I also will admit I might pick this up out of convenience, making me a total hypocrite, but in principle I don't know why this is necessary. Of course I understand the financial side of the matter, but... I just wanted to vent, I guess.



I agree with the OP. Its gettin kinda ridiculous all these remakes coming out. I can sort of understand the ICO collection and GoW collection because they're being upgraded to HD but otherwise its just laziness and easy money (which I don't blame them for)



The reason this is such a big deal for me is that it's the first time we will see Ocarina of Time being portable. I can play OoT WHEREVER I WANT.

 

That is why I'm getting it day 1.



A lot of gamers and probably Wii gamers even more so weren't playing videogames 15 years ago so it's going to be new to them. 



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Khuutra said:

I'll answer this in full since you saw fit to reply to me (tangentially, I will add) in the newspost.

But first: I'm gonna play some Reach.


I genuinely can't wait to hear it Khuutra. Talking with you always turns out interesting.

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Nintendo could have at least done a remake of an older game to make it somewhat fresh. I would have loved to see ALttP redone since it's first version was 2d. Seeing a remake of ALttP would at least mean something new and fresh. But look at the pictures someone already posted in here. Yeah the visuals look nicely updated, but it isn't much. It won't change the way the game plays. It's prettier scenery.

 

What I don't understand are the Nintendo fans who have been flinging curses at "HD fanboys and the graphics whores" when those same Nintendo fans oogle over basically what amounts to an HD update of OoT. And they're willing to repay a full price for a mere HD graphics update.

 

As the type of gamer I am, I would have at least appreciated an ALttP remake. That would been a hundred times more fresh and new. But Nintendo knows they can release the same OoT game over and over and people will eat it up. They've done it what... three times already? These fans make me sick. It's a gold mine for Nintendo. It makes me mad because I know Nintendo is the only company capable of making their amazing franchises, and when fans beg for "just the same game ported or slightly updated please" it makes me sad because I know Nintendo is capable of so much better. But if they don't have to do the effort, they won't. It's smart, and I'd do the same thing in their position.

 

I have a dislike for the core gamer who only asks for the same game over and over.



wfz said:
strunge said:

yeah, stupid Ninendo and their intelligent marketing practice of delivering to the market whatthe consumers are interested in.  how lazy.

the consumer is dictating this game, and Nintendo is simply responding to that demand.  but if you think a massive company like Nintendo has such limited resources that they are actually diverting resources from a new Zelda IP to afford this port, well that is simply as ridiculous as criticizing a business for making money.


Congratulations on missing the point of everything I wrote. You deserve a medal. :P

 

I'm upset over the fact that Nintendo is smart and realizes they can take advantage of the nostalgia in fanboyism. If you took time to understand what I was saying, you'd see what I'm really mad about is the fact that fanboys are so nostalgic and get giddy over ports of games we've been playing for almost 15 years. When they could get something new. And why do I hate it? Because it means that Nintendo will be remaking old games instead of giving us new ones.

It's not Nintendo's fault at all and I never meant it that way. *shrugs* You totally missed my point.

Is Nintendo so massive that they can make SS and this port of OoT and still have all the people they need leftover to put all the effort needed into a brand new Zelda 3DS? You have no basis for that argument besides your fanciful thoughts. How about you find some way to prove it?

 

Nintendo is smart and they're making amazing business decisions. I don't doubt that at all. I just hate that fanboys are still creaming their pants over a game we played 15 years ago with a few slight upgrades. It goes entirely against myself as a gamer.

 

And this is coming from Nintendo fans. Fans who for the past few years have been screaming "Graphics whores~!~!~!" At HD fanboys. It's so ironic I can't help but laugh.

why do you care or are bothered what other people like or buy?  someone wants a remake, how does that affect you in any way to the point that it bothers you enough to have to start a thread about it?  I got your point, simply nothing about it made any sense. you criticized a business for doing what business' do -- identify consumer demand and satisfy it, as if that was a negative.  that's ridiculous.  more ridiculous is then trying to mask that and attempt to claim you aren't criticizing that company.

the proof that Nintendo has the resources to develop new games while porting old games simultaneously is in the fact that Nintendo has made ports of old games and new games at the same time in the past.  are you seriously attempting to dispute that?  the actual game brands are irrelevant, all that matters is that they have done so and intelligence and logic dictate that can be projected onto other games.  or are you going to make the argument that Nintendo can afford to do so with other properties, but can't afford to do so with one of their flagship properties.  are you going to commit the logical fallacy of using a narrow argument that only fits your position rather than a broad criteria that can apply to all? 

by the sense you've exhibited so far in this thread, I'm sure that is exactly what you are going to do .



flagship said:

A lot of gamers and probably Wii gamers even more so weren't playing videogames 15 years ago so it's going to be new to them. 


Sweet. Lets remake all the NES, SNES, Genesis, Saturn, PS1, etc games while we're at it.

 

Lets never progress into the future because we're so busy remaking older games for the newer gamers to play, since they couldn't possibly get those games in a different way such as downloading on the VC.

 

I know you didn't mean it so encompassing like I just described, but I don't see how that argument gives a valid point. Anyone today can have access to OoT if they download it on the VC. Anyone. (who owns a Wii).

 

The only good point I see so far in this thread is being able to play OoT in a portable version.



strunge said:
wfz said:
strunge said:

yeah, stupid Ninendo and their intelligent marketing practice of delivering to the market whatthe consumers are interested in.  how lazy.

the consumer is dictating this game, and Nintendo is simply responding to that demand.  but if you think a massive company like Nintendo has such limited resources that they are actually diverting resources from a new Zelda IP to afford this port, well that is simply as ridiculous as criticizing a business for making money.


Congratulations on missing the point of everything I wrote. You deserve a medal. :P

 

I'm upset over the fact that Nintendo is smart and realizes they can take advantage of the nostalgia in fanboyism. If you took time to understand what I was saying, you'd see what I'm really mad about is the fact that fanboys are so nostalgic and get giddy over ports of games we've been playing for almost 15 years. When they could get something new. And why do I hate it? Because it means that Nintendo will be remaking old games instead of giving us new ones.

It's not Nintendo's fault at all and I never meant it that way. *shrugs* You totally missed my point.

Is Nintendo so massive that they can make SS and this port of OoT and still have all the people they need leftover to put all the effort needed into a brand new Zelda 3DS? You have no basis for that argument besides your fanciful thoughts. How about you find some way to prove it?

 

Nintendo is smart and they're making amazing business decisions. I don't doubt that at all. I just hate that fanboys are still creaming their pants over a game we played 15 years ago with a few slight upgrades. It goes entirely against myself as a gamer.

 

And this is coming from Nintendo fans. Fans who for the past few years have been screaming "Graphics whores~!~!~!" At HD fanboys. It's so ironic I can't help but laugh.

why do you care or are bothered what other people like or buy?  someone wants a remake, how does that affect you in any way to the point that it bothers you enough to have to start a thread about it?  I got your point, simply nothing about it made any sense. you criticized a business for doing what business' do -- identify consumer demand and satisfy it, as if that was a negative.  that's ridiculous.  more ridiculous is then trying to mask that and attempt to claim you aren't criticizing that company.

The reason I care is because those fans who only cry for more ports are the reason Nintendo isn't dedicating itself to come out with only new games. If the fans are happy with just ports, why bother? That in turn affects me as a gamer. So that's why I care about the other gamers' preferences. It's my opinion that they're holding Nintendo back. I'm not complaining about Nintendo doing good business, I'm complaining that rehashes and ports are all that the core Nintendo gamer seems to care about. I'm mad at the fans for making Nintendo more profitable by LIMITING themselves as a company. Instead of the core gamer helping Nintendo stay innovative and create new ideas. I am not upset at Nintendo, I'm upset at fans. You completely missed my point again.

the proof that Nintendo has the resources to develop new games while porting old games simultaneously is in the fact that Nintendo has made ports of old games and new games at the same time in the past.  are you seriously attempting to dispute that?  the actual game brands are irrelevant, all that matters is that they have done so and intelligence and logic dictate that can be projected onto other games.  or are you going to make the argument that Nintendo can afford to do so with other properties, but can't afford to do so with one of their flagship properties.  are you going to commit the logical fallacy of using a narrow argument that only fits your position rather than a broad criteria that can apply to all? 

by the sense you've exhibited so far in this thread, I'm sure that is exactly what you are going to do .

Please stop with the personal flaming. You do nothing but demean me and pretend like you're all high and mighty. It's getting us nowhere and all you're asking for is to encite me to yell back.

Do you genuinely believe that with a huge team working on SS right now, and the amount of effort and manpower it took to remake OoT on the 3DS, that Nintendo still has had sufficient resources to allocate to whatever their new Zelda 3DS will be? You failed to show any proof, but I do hope you're right. It would make the situation a lot better to know that this HD port isn't affecting the real Zelda game for the 3DS. But I do wish you'd give me something more than your personal flames and "logic." 

 

IMO, I don't think Nintendo will hurry to make a real 3DS Zelda game anytime soon. Even if OoT 3DS wasn't potentially hindering its production, I think Nintendo will find itself content with only releasing OoT to keep Zelda fans happy for a few years until they finally do come out with the 3DS Zelda. If OoT 3DS wasn't coming out, Nintendo would have more of a reason to get goin' and finish the real 3DS Zelda. That's what I think, anyways. You think otherwise?





They launched the DS similarly, with an N64 classic revived, and really they did similar things with the GBA, though that was with an NES title.

 

So long as it doesn't detract from original content, and so long as they do something original with 3DS OoT (be it something subtle like the Yoshi Egg Challenge in Super Mario Advance or more complex like the added stars, levels, and characters in SM64DS)



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