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zuvuyeay on 10 September 2010
babuks said:

I don't know what you are, a blind? You wanted to picture the Muslim world as full of bad people who burn bible, burn poster of Jesus. You should open your eyes and give some proper incidents where those things happen. Muslims never do such things which Christians are doing for long. In Guantanamo, everyone saw how Muslims and the Quran were disregarded. Burning Quran is Christian's work, burning bible is not Muslims'. You draw mocking cartoon of other religion, not the Muslims.

Open your eyes and stop pretending that all christians are good people.

how is burning koran christian work,but burning bibles not muslim work?



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pizzahut451 on 10 September 2010
mai said:

non-gravity said:

The Crusades were a reaction to the expansion of Islam to places where Christians had been before.

On ideological level yes, but it's quite complex phenomenon to describe in one sentence given demography of those who participated in the Crusades. Often certain events of the Crusades have nothing to do with being anti-Islamic, hence the Christian Orthodox people who suffered from, simply put, brigandish raids of the crusaders.

All in all, attempts to present Christianity as 'tolerant' religion that laid down the foundations of modern morale of western world are a bit off. If the Crusades towards Islamic world could be explained as reactionary move, how'd you explain Northern Crusades against the Orthodox then, or internal oppression of heretics through the Inquisition etc.? Christianity as religious organization, i.e. Christian Church in it's original form (Roman Catholic Church), is hardly tolerant and used to be very expansionist (the same applies to the Orthodox Church). If anything laid such foundations, this's probably Protestant morale. Bottomline is... 'tolerance' is to a great extent is a phenomenon of modern western world morale, hardly Christinaity has anything to do with it.

original christian chruch is orthodox church not roman catholic



babuks on 10 September 2010
zuvuyeay said:
babuks said:

I don't know what you are, a blind? You wanted to picture the Muslim world as full of bad people who burn bible, burn poster of Jesus. You should open your eyes and give some proper incidents where those things happen. Muslims never do such things which Christians are doing for long. In Guantanamo, everyone saw how Muslims and the Quran were disregarded. Burning Quran is Christian's work, burning bible is not Muslims'. You draw mocking cartoon of other religion, not the Muslims.

Open your eyes and stop pretending that all christians are good people.

how is burning koran christian work,but burning bibles not muslim work?

Show me an incident where Muslims mocked of Bible. I have shown Guantanamo example where some soldiers pissed on the Quran. Now some Christians took initiative to burn it.



zuvuyeay on 10 September 2010
babuks said:
zuvuyeay said:
babuks said:

I don't know what you are, a blind? You wanted to picture the Muslim world as full of bad people who burn bible, burn poster of Jesus. You should open your eyes and give some proper incidents where those things happen. Muslims never do such things which Christians are doing for long. In Guantanamo, everyone saw how Muslims and the Quran were disregarded. Burning Quran is Christian's work, burning bible is not Muslims'. You draw mocking cartoon of other religion, not the Muslims.

Open your eyes and stop pretending that all christians are good people.

how is burning koran christian work,but burning bibles not muslim work?

Show me an incident where Muslims mocked of Bible. I have shown Guantanamo example where some soldiers pissed on the Quran. Now some Christians took initiative to burn it.

so soildiers pissing on the koran is evidence of christians at work

i don't care about evidence,i'm just tired of hearing how whenever westerners are bad they are christians but when people from the middle east are bad they are not muslims



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sapphi_snake on 10 September 2010
pizzahut451 said:
mai said:

non-gravity said:

The Crusades were a reaction to the expansion of Islam to places where Christians had been before.

On ideological level yes, but it's quite complex phenomenon to describe in one sentence given demography of those who participated in the Crusades. Often certain events of the Crusades have nothing to do with being anti-Islamic, hence the Christian Orthodox people who suffered from, simply put, brigandish raids of the crusaders.

All in all, attempts to present Christianity as 'tolerant' religion that laid down the foundations of modern morale of western world are a bit off. If the Crusades towards Islamic world could be explained as reactionary move, how'd you explain Northern Crusades against the Orthodox then, or internal oppression of heretics through the Inquisition etc.? Christianity as religious organization, i.e. Christian Church in it's original form (Roman Catholic Church), is hardly tolerant and used to be very expansionist (the same applies to the Orthodox Church). If anything laid such foundations, this's probably Protestant morale. Bottomline is... 'tolerance' is to a great extent is a phenomenon of modern western world morale, hardly Christinaity has anything to do with it.

original christian chruch is orthodox church not roman catholic

The Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Church were one and the same before the schism. Back then it was simply the Christian Church.



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raptors11 on 10 September 2010

I agree with what you said in your opening post. I think you are right on the money with what you said. There's nothing I'd change from your opening post. You really hit the nail on the head with that post.



TheRealMafoo on 10 September 2010
Galaki said:

@OP, in short

Two wrongs does not make a right.


Well, what's more wrong?

If I tell you I am going to kill you if you don't lick my shoes, or you licking my shoes because you don't want to die?

Telling someone to go fuck themselves because they are unhappy with how we live, is not wrong.



TheRealMafoo on 10 September 2010
raptors11 said:

I agree with what you said in your opening post. I think you are right on the money with what you said. There's nothing I'd change from your opening post. You really hit the nail on the head with that post.


I agree. great post.



TheRealMafoo on 10 September 2010
babuks said:
zuvuyeay said:
babuks said:

I don't know what you are, a blind? You wanted to picture the Muslim world as full of bad people who burn bible, burn poster of Jesus. You should open your eyes and give some proper incidents where those things happen. Muslims never do such things which Christians are doing for long. In Guantanamo, everyone saw how Muslims and the Quran were disregarded. Burning Quran is Christian's work, burning bible is not Muslims'. You draw mocking cartoon of other religion, not the Muslims.

Open your eyes and stop pretending that all christians are good people.

how is burning koran christian work,but burning bibles not muslim work?

Show me an incident where Muslims mocked of Bible. I have shown Guantanamo example where some soldiers pissed on the Quran. Now some Christians took initiative to burn it.

This took 5 seconds to find. How many more do you want?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html?cat=9



mai on 10 September 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
mai said:

non-gravity said:

The Crusades were a reaction to the expansion of Islam to places where Christians had been before.

On ideological level yes, but it's quite complex phenomenon to describe in one sentence given demography of those who participated in the Crusades. Often certain events of the Crusades have nothing to do with being anti-Islamic, hence the Christian Orthodox people who suffered from, simply put, brigandish raids of the crusaders.

All in all, attempts to present Christianity as 'tolerant' religion that laid down the foundations of modern morale of western world are a bit off. If the Crusades towards Islamic world could be explained as reactionary move, how'd you explain Northern Crusades against the Orthodox then, or internal oppression of heretics through the Inquisition etc.? Christianity as religious organization, i.e. Christian Church in it's original form (Roman Catholic Church), is hardly tolerant and used to be very expansionist (the same applies to the Orthodox Church). If anything laid such foundations, this's probably Protestant morale. Bottomline is... 'tolerance' is to a great extent is a phenomenon of modern western world morale, hardly Christinaity has anything to do with it.

original christian chruch is orthodox church not roman catholic

The Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Church were one and the same before the schism. Back then it was simply the Christian Church.

I should have specified that I meant Russian Orthodox Church, though it was kinda obvious from the context (Northen Crusades, religious expansionism of both Christian Churches etc.). Obviously there were dozens practically independent Christian Churches that predates Roman Catholic Church and Great Schism, but they're pretty much irrelevant on grand scheme.