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Slimebeast on 12 September 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
Badassbab said:

From the fifth book of the Old Testament-

Deuteronomy 17-
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

 

Never got why Christians ignore the Old Testamant. I thought it's still considered a part of the Bible. Does the New Testament instruct Christians to ignore the Old Testament? So no Genesis story etc?


Not sure why one of the Atheists on this site is explaining this, but here I go...

A woman was to be stored to death in following this passage in the Bible, and Jesus stepped in and said "He who is without sin, cast the first stone", and then he did not throw a stone.

So while the old testament has things in it that are to be followed (Like the 10 commandments), Jesus came along and updated how people should conduct themselves.

I mean if he changed nothing, there would be no difference between being a Christian or a Jew.

Some people in this thread conveniently ignore that, because it helps there argument.

Because you're a good guy.

Great example you brought up there, about casting the first stone.



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Badassbab on 12 September 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
Badassbab said:

From the fifth book of the Old Testament-

Deuteronomy 17-
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

 

Never got why Christians ignore the Old Testamant. I thought it's still considered a part of the Bible. Does the New Testament instruct Christians to ignore the Old Testament? So no Genesis story etc?


Not sure why one of the Atheists on this site is explaining this, but here I go...

A woman was to be stored to death in following this passage in the Bible, and Jesus stepped in and said "He who is without sin, cast the first stone", and then he did not throw a stone.

So while the old testament has things in it that are to be followed (Like the 10 commandments), Jesus came along and updated how people should conduct themselves.

I mean if he changed nothing, there would be no difference between being a Christian or a Jew.

Some people in this thread conveniently ignore that, because it helps there argument.

So what your saying is there are clear instructions in the New Testament for which books to follow and which books todisregard? Or is that down to the intelligestia within the Church community to decide?

Romans 1:24-32 (New International Version)

 

 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

 

Is the above Old Testament too? Sounds like there are a lot of contradictions within the Bible. About the 'cast the first stone' story that's probably my favourite quote from the New Testament. My favourite quote from the Hebrew Bible is the part about the Sabbath (days off work hurrah!) and the best bit from the Qu'ran is probably the bit about 'no compulsion in religion'.






Smidlee on 12 September 2010

The Old Testament makes is clear time and time again no one is justified by "The Law" which is why the OT points to the Messiah. According the OT the Jews at first claimed they could keep the law yet they failed miserably at it even with the right conditions.  Even a man after God's own heart  failed to keep the law yet there was promised someone  greater  than David would follow after him. If atheist is trying to prove the Jews (Israel) were a butch of sinners then even the OT itself made this claim.



Jumpin on 12 September 2010
Joelcool7 said:

Being a Canadian and a Christian I am over whelmingly patriotic. I love my country and my God but I've noticed comparing us to the Muslims and the Middle East our religions and nationals are really a bunch of cowards.

Now don't get me wrong I do not believe we should start burning Qur'ans and drawing pictures of Mohammed on the toilet or insulting peoples faiths. But why is it okay for everyone around the world to dump on North America but when we do one thing the whole world freaks out.

Every day in the Muslim world Bibles are burned and desecrated. Christians in North Africa and the Middle East get raped then murdered brutally for their faith. Yet North American's do absolutely nothing , we hear the odd activist go on TV and vocalize their position. But you don't see Christian's in the streets burning Palestinian flags or Somalian flags. You don't see huge crowds of Christians screaming death to Muslims and burning charactures of Mohammed.

Yet a few days ago I saw Muslim protestor burning epogies of Jesus Christ and screaming death to Christians. Now as a Christian I think an eye for an eye is not a good way to do things but you'd think that somebody would stand up and do something.

Think a second really what was that moronic pastor doing? He was yes being very confrontational but he was just going to do something that Muslims do to Christian's every day. I actually saw more footage of Muslims burning Bible's, where are the angry Christian's? Why aren't our governments yelling and getting upset at Saudi Arabia or Palestine for burning Bible's?

You don't see the Pope calling the President of Turkey and asking them to stop muslims from desecrating our holy books. Also it isn't just Christian's what about Afghanistan where thousands of Buddhist holy texts and Buddha statues were destroyed. Nobody said a thing we just sat by and watched it happen.

Now a mosque wants to move into ground Zero. Now constitutionaly they have every write to build one, but a greek church across the street isn't alowed to build. Then rumours swirl around that the politicians want to make peace with hardline muslims and this mosque could help appease them.


WTF why are we appeasing anyone. The Muslim countries never do anything to appease us.

Free speach for example. I was so upset when South Park was going to air an episode with Mohammed and before it aired their were protests and death threats flying around. Finally the south park creators censored the episode. But its perfectly fine for South Park and everyone else to insult Jesus and North America but you insult Islam and your dead.

 

So why doesn't North America grow a back bone. Seriously I don't agree with burning anyones holy book. But if some whack pastor wants to burn one in retaliation for 9/11 or South Park wants to air an episode with Mohammed. Frick sakes they have every right to express their opinions.

Anyone wonder why our countries cower to the Middle East?


You are not Canadian and you are not a Christian. Go back under your bridge, troll.



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whatever on 12 September 2010
Slimebeast said:
whatever said:
Slimebeast said:
whatever said:

You apparently have not read the bible.

http://www.evilbible.com/

All that violence under the Old Covenant between God and the Jews doesnt apply to Christians who's relationship with God is based on the New Covenant which God established by sending Jesus Christ to die for all of mankind.

 

You really don't know your own religion.

Yes I do. While you understand nothing about Christianity and you're only making a fool of yourself in front of all these people.

No you don't!  The new testament clearly states that ALL of the old testament still applies.  You can pretend Christianity is whatever you want it to be, that doesn't make it so.  You are clearly like most Christians that only pick the parts of the Bible that match what they think Christianity is.  But if you are going to do that, then you and others are being hypocrits when you state that the Quran is more violent than the Bible.  You have definitely not read or understood the complete Bible.

To say I know nothing about Christianity is very presumptuous.  I was raised Catholic and finally decided after confirmation that I had had enough of the fairy tale.

And your the one that continues to make a fool of yourself, just like you did in the evolution thread.



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TheRealMafoo on 12 September 2010
whatever said:

No you don't!  The new testament clearly states that ALL of the old testament still applies.  You can pretend Christianity is whatever you want it to be, that doesn't make it so.  You are clearly like most Christians that only pick the parts of the Bible that match what they think Christianity is.  But if you are going to do that, then you and others are being hypocrits when you state that the Quran is more violent than the Bible.  You have definitely not read or understood the complete Bible.

To say I know nothing about Christianity is very presumptuous.  I was raised Catholic and finally decided after confirmation that I had had enough of the fairy tale.

And your the one that continues to make a fool of yourself, just like you did in the evolution thread.

Sigh... how about we take a different approach to demonstrate the same issue.

The world is a big place. Lots of countries and people. Find me one, just one, Christian church that trains people to kill, arms them, funds them, and sends them out to kill/die. Just one.

In the entire world, I just want one. One.

There are dozens if not hundreds of Mosques that do this. Does this not demonstrate there is a difference in the extremes of these religions?



whatever on 13 September 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
whatever said:

No you don't!  The new testament clearly states that ALL of the old testament still applies.  You can pretend Christianity is whatever you want it to be, that doesn't make it so.  You are clearly like most Christians that only pick the parts of the Bible that match what they think Christianity is.  But if you are going to do that, then you and others are being hypocrits when you state that the Quran is more violent than the Bible.  You have definitely not read or understood the complete Bible.

To say I know nothing about Christianity is very presumptuous.  I was raised Catholic and finally decided after confirmation that I had had enough of the fairy tale.

And your the one that continues to make a fool of yourself, just like you did in the evolution thread.

Sigh... how about we take a different approach to demonstrate the same issue.

The world is a big place. Lots of countries and people. Find me one, just one, Christian church that trains people to kill, arms them, funds them, and sends them out to kill/die. Just one.

In the entire world, I just want one. One.

There are dozens if not hundreds of Mosques that do this. Does this not demonstrate there is a difference in the extremes of these religions?

You seem hell bent on proving that Christians are better than Muslims or that Christianity is better than Islam.  Because there aren't any Christian churches that train people to kill at this point in time doesn't mean there haven't been (there certainly has) and that there won't be again.

I don't recall hearing about thousands of children being molested by Imams.  Does molesting and sodomizing young children represent a fundamental Christian belief since it seems to be practiced extensively by some "extremists".

You can't have it both ways.  Both religions have been and will continue to be a hinderance to human progress.



TheRealMafoo on 13 September 2010
whatever said:
TheRealMafoo said:
whatever said:

No you don't!  The new testament clearly states that ALL of the old testament still applies.  You can pretend Christianity is whatever you want it to be, that doesn't make it so.  You are clearly like most Christians that only pick the parts of the Bible that match what they think Christianity is.  But if you are going to do that, then you and others are being hypocrits when you state that the Quran is more violent than the Bible.  You have definitely not read or understood the complete Bible.

To say I know nothing about Christianity is very presumptuous.  I was raised Catholic and finally decided after confirmation that I had had enough of the fairy tale.

And your the one that continues to make a fool of yourself, just like you did in the evolution thread.

Sigh... how about we take a different approach to demonstrate the same issue.

The world is a big place. Lots of countries and people. Find me one, just one, Christian church that trains people to kill, arms them, funds them, and sends them out to kill/die. Just one.

In the entire world, I just want one. One.

There are dozens if not hundreds of Mosques that do this. Does this not demonstrate there is a difference in the extremes of these religions?

You seem hell bent on proving that Christians are better than Muslims or that Christianity is better than Islam.  Because there aren't any Christian churches that train people to kill at this point in time doesn't mean there haven't been (there certainly has) and that there won't be again.

I don't recall hearing about thousands of children being molested by Imams.  Does molesting and sodomizing young children represent a fundamental Christian belief since it seems to be practiced extensively by some "extremists".

You can't have it both ways.  Both religions have been and will continue to be a hinderance to human progress.


That I agree with, but your argument is just false.

It's like saying your going to spend a night in jail, and they are going to throw you in a cell with a criminal. You have a choice get thrown in with a rapist murderer, or a guy who passed a bad check. When asked what cell you want, you reply "there both criminals, it makes no difference".

I am not saying Christianity is not full of problems, or that there history is horrible, I am just saying the extremists of Christianity today, is no where near the level extreme Islam is today.

Why can't you agree that that's true? It sounds like you feel if you agree with that, you have somehow defended a religion or obviously hate, thus you won't do it.



ConnorJCP on 13 September 2010
sapphi_snake said:
ConnorJCP said:

They get annoyed when shows like south park try and portray Muhammad because its against there religion to draw or create something that someone thinks is Muhammad. its not against Christian religion to draw Jesus.

My main problem with this is that THEY aren't suppose to do that. NON-MUSLIMS don't have to follow the commandments of the Musilm religion, so I don't get what all the protests are about.

But if you are a descent person you'd respect their rules.



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sapphi_snake on 13 September 2010
ConnorJCP said:
sapphi_snake said:
ConnorJCP said:

They get annoyed when shows like south park try and portray Muhammad because its against there religion to draw or create something that someone thinks is Muhammad. its not against Christian religion to draw Jesus.

My main problem with this is that THEY aren't suppose to do that. NON-MUSLIMS don't have to follow the commandments of the Musilm religion, so I don't get what all the protests are about.

But if you are a descent person you'd respect their rules.

If they're decent people then they'd respect our rules (that is if they want to live in Western countries).



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