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...if something is able to come from nothing, then I'm never taking physics.



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MrBubbles said:

thats odd...what i read said that he only said god isnt necessary to create the universe not that he explicitly didnt.

Which is a good point, not that many theists will take that tack.



dtewi said:

...if something is able to come from nothing, then I'm never taking physics.


Most physics won't deal with the beginning of the universe to be fair.



so confirmed?



Remind me a debate on french TV with Yves Coppens and Hubert Reeves.

With the same fact they reach to the agreement that god exist because actually every forces (gravitation, and also electro magnetic and nuclear one) and elements weight (neutrons,  electrons...) are so fine tunes to make the life possible that he could hardly be a matter of luck. If the electrons weight was just little lighter or heavier then the particles can't assemble to create molecules, stars, planets, galaxies and life.

Just they agreed (and think so to) that god is not as most actual religion think as a entity that is watching over the earth but something much bigger.



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Concerning Hawking and Einstein's beliefs, they never believed in any Christian God... Einstein, for sure, was a deist, who believed that the Universe itself was God. When Hawking speaks of God, he does so in a similar fashion.



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iasta said:

Remind me a debate on french TV with Yves Coppens and Hubert Reeves.

With the same fact they reach to the agreement that god exist because actually every forces (gravitation, and also electro magnetic and nuclear one) and elements weight (neutrons,  electrons...) are so fine tunes to make the life possible that he could hardly be a matter of luck. If the electrons weight was just little lighter or heavier then the particles can't assemble to create molecules, stars, planets, galaxies and life.

Just they agreed (and think so to) that god is not as most actual religion think as a entity that is watching over the earth but something much bigger.


Thats where you come up against the anthropic principle. If the universe didn't have the perfect constants that allow it to form galaxies and such then we wouldn't exist to observe it. There may be countless imperfect universes without life, but they will never be observed.



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ManusJustus said:

strunge said:

it's not big news because it doesn't add anything new to the scenario.  physicists and aetheists have been claiming that the universe can exist by nature solely for years, so it isn't "new"s just because one more person says it because he has a greater visibility.

For what its worth, Stephen Hawking understands the universe better than almost everyone on Earth.


For what its worth, Stephen Hawking can't play basketball. =P



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