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Antabus on 25 August 2010
Viper1 said:

I have a family and am also a member of the media and therefore receive games for review.  So my collection is heavily mixed between those I buy from personal demand, family interests and business responsibility.

Besides, just because I like the cartoony nature of some products does not mean I wish it upon all products.   Madden being one of them.  If I wanted Backyard Footbal, I'd have bought Backyard Football.  And as I already noted, Madden 10 is still cartoony comapred to the series canon.

So are you saying that graphics matter more than gameplay? Backyard football is nothing like madden. Not even graphically if you compare it to 10. And I honestly can't see how 10 is any more cartoony than 08 on wii.



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jarrod on 25 August 2010
HexenLord said:

1. The OVERALL capabilities from GC -> Wii were less than 25% of the increase of either the Xbox -> 360 or PS2 -> PS3. It wasn't much of a buff from Gamecube in perspective terms. Is it basically the same thing? Sadly, yes. While the Wii might be more powerful, it still can't really do anything that the GC couldn't do other than render a few more polygons.

Actually, the much improved memory architecture (which was also really GC's achilles heel) makes quite a few more things possible, including stuff like normal maps in game with little performance hit.  The spec jump from GC to Wii isn't really too dramatic though, it's very comparable with GB to GBC or DS to DSi.  In other words, more like a half step revision than a full next gen cycle transition.

The problem with Wii really is more that it's (modestly) improved chipset is rarely pushed, which is due to a combination of standards (ie: TEV as a boutique renderer no one wants to learn) and market philosophy (3rd parties pigeonholed it for casual shovelware, not AAA budgets).



Viper1 on 25 August 2010
Antabus said:
Viper1 said:

I have a family and am also a member of the media and therefore receive games for review.  So my collection is heavily mixed between those I buy from personal demand, family interests and business responsibility.

Besides, just because I like the cartoony nature of some products does not mean I wish it upon all products.   Madden being one of them.  If I wanted Backyard Footbal, I'd have bought Backyard Football.  And as I already noted, Madden 10 is still cartoony comapred to the series canon.

So are you saying that graphics matter more than gameplay? Backyard football is nothing like madden. Not even graphically if you compare it to 10. And I honestly can't see how 10 is any more cartoony than 08 on wii.

Such a leading statement.  Do not confuse graphics with art style and presentation.

And Madden 2008 is when it started moving into the cartoony art direction.  Hence why 2010 seems similar.  Try 2007 for a difference.



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Antabus on 25 August 2010
Viper1 said:
Antabus said:
Viper1 said:

I have a family and am also a member of the media and therefore receive games for review.  So my collection is heavily mixed between those I buy from personal demand, family interests and business responsibility.

Besides, just because I like the cartoony nature of some products does not mean I wish it upon all products.   Madden being one of them.  If I wanted Backyard Footbal, I'd have bought Backyard Football.  And as I already noted, Madden 10 is still cartoony comapred to the series canon.

So are you saying that graphics matter more than gameplay? Backyard football is nothing like madden. Not even graphically if you compare it to 10. And I honestly can't see how 10 is any more cartoony than 08 on wii.

Such a leading statement.  Do not confuse graphics with art style and presentation.

And Madden 2008 is when it started moving into the cartoony art direction.  Hence why 2010 seems similar.  Try 2007 for a difference.


I did.. still I just can't see it.

But that is what you said. You compared 2 games with very different gameplay just because they supposedly have some graphical similarities.



Viper1 on 25 August 2010

I was obviously being facetious regarding Backyard Football.  Was it really necessary that I clarify that?


The point being they changed the artistic style and presentation to the point that it no longer represented the canonical spirit of the series. 



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suoturska on 25 August 2010

This is a controversial statement? Wasn't it common knowledge that the Wii is little more than an overclocked Gamecube with a RAM upgrade?



LordTheNightKnight on 25 August 2010
Zlejedi said:
Metallicube said:
HexenLord said:
Killiana1a said:

I pose this question Mr. Lavigne,

From what you are saying, I can gauge that you believe hardware is as important, if not more important than software in driving console sales. If this is the case, then why has the "refurbished Gamecube" to use your terminology, outsold both it's competitors, one of which has arguably more raw graphics processing power than the Wii and 360 combined?

How is your opinion, Mr. Lavigne, worth more than the 73.3 million customers who chose Wii over the 37 million customers who chose the PS3 or the 42.3 million who chose the 360?

If you value graphics and visuals so much Mr. Lavigne, should you not be in the film industry?

Read my #2 above. Nintendo fans buy things because they are Nintendo products. Nintendo fans buy Mario games just because its Mario. They are retro fans.

 

Other than that, 'younger' gamers are more likely to get the cheaper kiddy console for Christmas than the slightly older ones who have to get a job and buy it themselves. The Wii doesn't outsell because its better, it sells better because its targeted to a younger audience (other than the retro gamers).

Uh huh.. And who exactly are you to say whether or not the Wii is "better," are you the god of gaming or something?

Quality is relative. The only TRUE and universal way we can measure quality is through sales, because it shows that the product is appealing to the most people. If Wii TRUELY was not "better" than its competition, at least in some ways, it would not outsell them. Simple as that.

Selling to young people has nothing to do with Wii selling 30 million more than its nearest competition. Last I check there are just as many young people in the world as older people. In fact these days there seem to be MORE young adults playing videogames than children.


That's a good joke. By your definition McDonald offers some of the higgest quality food in the world. And that's what Wii precisely is - cheap well advertised hamburger for masses which will fill your gaming stomach but won't be a choice for most people who like to eat good dishes (core gamer).


Bull. You're just using this as a way to try to lie that big, bloated games are somehow better than games focused as games. You aren't buying better dishes. You're buying food that cost far more than it needs to be, and doesn't last as long (all the returns for HD games show that).



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Antabus on 25 August 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:

Bull. You're just using this as a way to try to lie that big, bloated games are somehow better than games focused as games. You aren't buying better dishes. You're buying food that cost far more than it needs to be, and doesn't last as long (all the returns for HD games show that).

So you are the one to judge which dish is better for anyone else? ;)

Did you just call all hd games bloated, too expensive and short? Wow.



Soma on 25 August 2010
Antabus said:
Soma said:

Well, looking at Madden sales, the 07 and 08 sold better on Wii than PS3.  09 was the first time it sold better on PS3 and coincidence or not, it was when they started to make it "cartoony".

Madden 08 sold more than 09 on wii. But guess what? Madden 10 sold even less than 09. And that game was not "cartoony" like 09.

 

That's a screenshot of Madden 10



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serav on 25 August 2010
Viper1 said:
HexenLord said:

I don't think people here are quite using their brains.

 

1. The OVERALL capabilities from GC -> Wii were less than 25% of the increase of either the Xbox -> 360 or PS2 -> PS3. It wasn't much of a buff from Gamecube in perspective terms. Is it basically the same thing? Sadly, yes. While the Wii might be more powerful, it still can't really do anything that the GC couldn't do other than render a few more polygons.

 

2. Nintendo fans are huge retro fans. They will be a Nintendo console just because its a Nintendo console. They will buy NEW Super Mario Brothers just because its a Mario game, even though its not a huge technological advancement over Mario games of 10 years ago. Saying that the WIi doesn't equal the GC just because the Wii sells better is futile.

 

3. You can't say the Wii is more powerful just because you think that the best Wii game looks better than the best GC game. Sorry, but technology has advanced outside of the gaming industry in leaps and bounds between now and when the GC was current gen. Games were going to look better regardless of hardware. If the GC was still current gen, the games would look far better now than they did 5 years ago. Another futile argument.

 

4. I'm still stricken by the amount of people who relentlessly and aimlessly defend the Wii's shoddy capabilities when someone brings them into question. Even IF its more powerful than the GC, the Wii is still a last-gen console in terms of hardware output and game quality.

Fact: Wii is not a refurished GC.

Fact: Wii is more powerful than GC.

Fact: Stating facts to refute faulty logic and fanboyism isn't a defense of the system, it's a controvert of ignorance.

 

And Antabus, it's not an excuse at al.  After EA's handling of Madden in 09, it killed my interst in the series on Wii.  And 10 was very much more cartoony than the standard presentation.

anyone that can read a specs page can tell u this, show to any engineer, that isnt into gaming u will get the same in put.