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theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

I read everything single page in this thread,  every single post,  I know what went on.  There was no need to convince anyone to vote for Squilliam,  anyone could see he was guilty,  it was quite possibly one of the easiest lynches ever in a game. 

except that everyone was voting for other people. There were 9 votes over 6 different people. I'm not claiming to have outed squilliam. I'm claiming that I took charge and brought it to a head decisively. He were already in time extension with no vote, and you say that that accomplishment was no big deal? Sure, fine. I'll accept that it was no big deal

And I dont see how you are claiming starting the lynch on Hepheastos,  since you even complained that you voted then unvoted and the revoted so you shouldnt have been claimed by the bomb.  

I started the claim to lynch heph ever since he came out. I was completely right about a mafia psych and the danger heph presented. I also pointed out that his kill of nen on the night before was a mafia trick (and it was) and pointed out many such pieces of evidence. Furthermore, I was an early voter/retractor/revoter several times during the game because I wanted to see two things. 

1) who were the tipping point voters
2) who were the third voters.

Almost every single time tipping point voter was ToS, and almost every single time third voter was dtewi. The night I got recruited it was between ToS and nikells. So you see, I wasn't unvoting simply because I didn't want to lynch him, but because I was analyzing voting trends, which I even mentioned in the thread but nobody paid attention to.

And actually that is exactly what you are stating.  You claimed that you didnt completely understand the God of War Universe but you went on to make claims about peoples roles because of stuff you found on wikipedia.

Where did I claim this? I might've said that I hadn't played chains of olympus. But I especially like how your criticism is completely resolute in that gods who support zeus are good and the others are mafia, even though artemis and athena help kratos kill zeus. 

You thought your plans were infallible and attacked anyone that questioned them.  You led a lynch against what was arguably our strongest townie, Hades. 

A player which many of the other players said should never play again, good point!

You tried to have several other townies lynched as well, like noname and myself. 

You both said very suspicious things. Look vette. You called hat a liar because you were a psych who was even charged with finding a different SK. You outed yourself and called for his lynch over that. There's two things there. Either it's a very very dumb call, or it's a very suspicious move. I gave you the respect you deserved by calling you mafia.

You blindly believed that dtewi was a townie despite actually being mafia.   I am sure I left a few out....

dtewi was not completely off the radar. Surely I can't prove what would have happened, but dtewi and ST were so obviously lying. Additionally, I knew ST was being very suspicious, so that sibling-esque call would have sealed it. You see vette. dtewi had some very solid evidence on his behalf. There was nothing to say otherwise. Calling that he was actually a mafia and that it was a plot would have been an idea so improbable that it would be insane to entertain it. Even dtewi admitted that it was never plotted out that way, it was just dumb luck. So, you say he's innocent. You have to wait for new evidence in order to remedy that inaccuracy, and that evidence was blatantly formed on the final day with the sibling story, and the fake power claims.

But  thats right I remember your reasoning, some of us played badly according to you

according to everybody

 

As For Hephestos,  You one of the people that was for hatmoza curing him so we can get him on our team?  And now you are saying you wanted him lynched the minute he came out?  You cant have it both ways.

Well for one your evidence against me was the wikipedia page you pulled about Helios saying he was a titan and how i was actually related to Squilliams character.  Which in actual Greek mythology is true,  but God of War doesnt follow that word for word.  But In one sentence you claim that you understand the God of War universe, and in the next sentence prove that you dont.   Artemis was never against Zues,  she shows up in the first game to give Kratos her blade to aid his quest in helping the Gods to kill Ares.   Thanks for proving my point though .   As for Athena,  she was the only difficult one to judge,  cause in the GoW 1 & 2 and CoO  she was a friend of Zues,  the third game she was against him.  It all depended on which character the mod was going to base her character off of.  

As for me suspecting hatmoza,   anyone in my shoes would have done the exact same thing, a psychiatrist is a rare role in mafia, so when one person claims to be that person, when you are that role you instantly question it.   I was justified in my accusations,  especially since Athena was a character which could swing either way as far as being scum or not.  So you say calling me mafia was out of respect?  So where was that respect when you kept draggin my name through the mud as the game went on?

In mafia,  no one is innoncent until the cop says they are. dtewi had no evidence to prove one way or the other

Only according to you



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hatmoza said:

you got to admit vette, prof was right about a few things that we considered crazy at the time. However, he had so many theories going on it would have been hard for not one of them to betrue.

Also, get over yourself prof

Yeah whats the old saying again?  Even a blind horse will find water.



Vetteman94 said:
hatmoza said:

you got to admit vette, prof was right about a few things that we considered crazy at the time. However, he had so many theories going on it would have been hard for not one of them to betrue.

Also, get over yourself prof

Yeah whats the old saying again?  Even a blind horse will find water.


Would you stop being a jerk?

Thanks.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

oh come one guys, no one played bad in this game.... some just can't manage to lie, others were too shy to use their powers, but if no one made any mistakes, then the game would just be booring with nothing to deduce from the posts.

We do need to reduce the post count though... (yeah I include myself too in we, don't worry).



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hatmoza said:

it was kind of me being lazy on my part. I swear when I came back there were 700plus posts that I really didn't read through. I'm sure if I took the time to read what i missed I would have been more confident about voting dtewi.

I'm still kicking myself over it actually. He wasn't making sense, J0 even pointed it out. Dtewi was making the most basic newb mafia mistakes throughout the game, but because I got so paranoid when a cult member showed up, My world shattered and didn't know who, what to believe anymore.

Remember how confident I was Silver Tiger was scum on the second day? ... well, actually all my confidence went down the shit hole after a cult member was revealed.

I cannot stress enough how  much I hate cult games. It's a fucking mind fuck for me.

I agree with you on cults! I was hoping whoever Morpheus was that he would die before he formed the cult so I could stay a gimped SK.

On the last day, me and theprof00 were exchanging PMs about ST and dtewi and chanting "Come on hatmoza, figure it out, you can do it!"



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Vetteman94 said:

As For Hephestos,  You one of the people that was for hatmoza curing him so we can get him on our team?  And now you are saying you wanted him lynched the minute he came out?  You cant have it both ways.

(we've gone over this several times already fyi) I was on hats plan originally because I was hoping that he wasn't actually giving out his hint and that he was targeting nikells as a mafia because earlier in the thread he suspected him. Then I realized that he wasn't and that he had given away the secret. So I unvoted nikells and called for everyone to do the same. Then, heph came out. Like 10 posts later I say that heph is a liability and needs to be lynched right away. At that point in the game I knew there was a busser and I knew that it was extremely risky to let him stay alive when there could be a possible mafia psych. I tried for hours to get him lynched and everyone called me stupid. Especially noname, you, and mario. (btw what happened that night? Thank you) And I blocked heph that night because I didn't trust him still! So, I switched my attention to noname backed by the evidence that he said "people with god names shouldn't be lynched", and then said, "Athena or Aphrodite is lying, one of them needs to be lynched". It was a basic hypocrisy.

Then suddenly mario votes for hat, and you follow. So, mario seemed like the biggest mafia candidate because he had been lurking, admitted to it, and then lied. Later he concealed things, lied some more, left out how his powers worked, changed them etc etc. Then he got lynched, and you got SK'ed. The very next day I said we needed to lynch Heph again. I made a vote, got two people to vote for it, and then the vote just died because people were saying it was impossible to have a mafia recruiter once again. So, being told that I'm reaching enough times makes me stop. I try to find a way to preserve heph and it doesn't work out. The next day, I call to lynch him again, this time everyone finally agrees. That is what happened, vette.

Well for one your evidence against me was the wikipedia page you pulled about Helios saying he was a titan and how i was actually related to Squilliams character.  Which in actual Greek mythology is true,  but God of War doesnt follow that word for word. 

We could not be certain how the roles were set up. Just because the game says one thing doesn't mean it would follow. Additionally, up until that point, all the townies had been olympians. There is blatant contradictory evidence, rather, there is a chance that "all people serving zeus" is incorrect. We didn't have enough information. Instead, it was your remarks, arrogance, and belittling attitude that made you a suspect.

But In one sentence you claim that you understand the God of War universe, and in the next sentence prove that you dont.   Artemis was never against Zues,  she shows up in the first game to give Kratos her blade to aid his quest in helping the Gods to kill Ares.   Thanks for proving my point though .   As for Athena,  she was the only difficult one to judge,  cause in the GoW 1 & 2 and CoO  she was a friend of Zues,  the third game she was against him.  It all depended on which character the mod was going to base her character off of.  

do you realize that you just proved my argument that it was difficult to judge simply based on roles?

As for me suspecting hatmoza,   anyone in my shoes would have done the exact same thing, a psychiatrist is a rare role in mafia, so when one person claims to be that person, when you are that role you instantly question it.   I was justified in my accusations,  especially since Athena was a character which could swing either way as far as being scum or not.  So you say calling me mafia was out of respect?  So where was that respect when you kept draggin my name through the mud as the game went on?

Dude you started the mud slinging. You said it was beyond my ability to find evidence on you. Is that not the scummiest, most antagonistic sentence in the entire thread vette?

In fact, sabby says this later on when I ask him if there's information in his past posts "You could try. I'm not sure if you'd get much out of them though."

That part about you calling out hatmoza while you had a different target...you couldn't see the possibility that another SK existed...EVEN WITH AN UNEXPLAINED KILL ON THE FIRST NIGHT. Yet right below this you say "no one is innocent until.." which tantamount translates into "nothing is certain" and yet you were certain. I'm not saying I wasn't certain about things that weren't true. I'm saying stop insulting me when you did the same thing.

In mafia,  no one is innoncent until the cop says they are. dtewi had no evidence to prove one way or the other

Are you serious? Until someone who I don't know the alignment of tells me that another person is innocent. Right...

Only according to you

watever I know what I read.





Vetteman94 said:

Yeah whats the old saying again?  Even a blind horse will find water.


No, i think it's "even a blind horse will out himself to someone trying to kill him on the basis of a false assumption because it doesn't realize that water can be poisonous."



theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Yeah whats the old saying again?  Even a blind horse will find water.


No, i think it's "even a blind horse will out himself to someone trying to kill him on the basis of a false assumption because it doesn't realize that water can be poisonous."

Thats a good one,  you most know that from past experiences



Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Yeah whats the old saying again?  Even a blind horse will find water.


No, i think it's "even a blind horse will out himself to someone trying to kill him on the basis of a false assumption because it doesn't realize that water can be poisonous."

Thats a good one,  you most know that from past experiences

Yup just this past game.



theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Yeah whats the old saying again?  Even a blind horse will find water.


No, i think it's "even a blind horse will out himself to someone trying to kill him on the basis of a false assumption because it doesn't realize that water can be poisonous."

Thats a good one,  you most know that from past experiences

Yup just this past game.

I know,  I couldnt believe you did it.  But I guess it was one of those things you have to see it for yourself