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Mad55 on 06 August 2010

if bush got re-elected im sure obama can he still has like 2 years any way lol.



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Seece on 06 August 2010

Can someone sum up why Obama's approval rate is so low?



 

mhsillen on 06 August 2010
lilc64 said:
Armads said:
mhsillen said:

 

He was never properly vetted by the press as they took turns greedly going down on him.  He had next to no experience and never held a real job. And they attacted Palin experience and gave Obama a pass it was a joke.

Never held a real job?  He was a constitutional law professor for 12 years  at the University of Chicago.

 

I was going to come back in here and post some facts people may not know and dispute claims some made but after seeing this post I remember why I don’t argue politics. If a person is die heart one party they usually don’t dislike the other party based on facts but on personal opinions. When I read he never vetted a real job I cringed and said I’d never come back to this thread. Before I go let me throw a couple of facts your way mhsillen: Obama made millions off his book, He went to Harvard and became a civil rights lawyer and taught constitutional law, Michelle graduated with Cum Laude honors from Princeton and also went to Harvard for a law degree where she met Barack; though I don’t know this to be a fact but apparently becoming president was a decrease in pay since they are not both currently working. Don’t forget he was also a state senator.

I don't argure his intellect my friend just his policys. I don't like the party system as it marrys you to an idealogy. When i say vetted I mean ,ike Sarah Palin was

They went thru her garbage can looking for anything on her and askedher the tough questions which they should. But they did not do the same for President Obama.This is important so we can make a wise voting choice. They defended any accusations made about him covering for him.



Naum on 06 August 2010

I don't see why not "you" DID after all get Bush reelected...how the hell that could happen I can never ever understand



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TheRealMafoo on 06 August 2010
Seece said:

Can someone sum up why Obama's approval rate is so low?


Sure. I will give you a bullet list:

  • Healthcare: Now that it's passed and people have had time to see what it is, and how it will effect there lives, they don't like it. It's not what they told us it would be.
  • Economy: The recovery is slow, and people are starting to realize it's slow due to his policies, and not Bush's. The Bush era got us into this mess, Obama is keeping us here. He keeps telling us giving away money and buying corporations will fix the problem, so he keeps doing it, and it keeps failing.
  • Ineffective government: His party owns everything, yet they have a hard time getting anything done that doesn't take massive effort. Even when they get things passed, like healthcare, it's a fiasco.
  • The blame game: Obama really only won for one reason. He's not Bush. He won by blaming Bush for everything. He is still trying to do that, but it's far less effective.
  • BP Oil spill: He did far less then he should have, and it hurt him in two ways. One is it shows he doesn't really connect well with Americans when a crisis happens. He also didn't seem to care much. I am sure he did care, he just did a poor job of showing it. Second, when you are so ineffective, it makes it hard to do the blame game. It's easy to use Katrina as an example of why Bush was an idiot. When your response to something is just as bad, it shows the people that big government just doesn't work, and it has less to do with Bush or Obama. You lose the ability to blame, and when that's your one trick, it sucks.
  • No wins: At this point, and it's been two years with complete control of Washington, he should have something to look at and say "But I accomplished XYZ". There is no "XYZ" for Obama.
  • The Wars: Meet the new guy. He is same as the old guy. Obama is Bush with respect to the war effort. That doesn't help
There are other things, Cap and Trade, Gitmo, etc, but those are the major points that are hurting him.
I have no idea how he gets elected next term. Only thing that can save him, is if Republicans take over Congress, and he then has someone to blame again for the failings of Washington.


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Mr Khan on 06 August 2010
Seece said:

Can someone sum up why Obama's approval rate is so low?


Conservative media FUD that tells us he's ruining the country and that Health Care reform is somehow going to make things worse.

 

The screamers are having an impact, simply put. We need to reverse Nixon's strategy, and get the silent majority working for the left.



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Seece on 06 August 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
Seece said:

Can someone sum up why Obama's approval rate is so low?


Sure. I will give you a bullet list:

 

  • Healthcare: Now that it's passed and people have had time to see what it is, and how it will effect there lives, they don't like it. It's not what they told us it would be.
  • Economy: The recovery is slow, and people are starting to realize it's slow due to his policies, and not Bush's. The Bush era got us into this mess, Obama is keeping us here. He keeps telling us giving away money and buying corporations will fix the problem, so he keeps doing it, and it keeps failing.
  • Ineffective government: His party owns everything, yet they have a hard time getting anything done that doesn't take massive effort. Even when they get things passed, like healthcare, it's a fiasco.
  • The blame game: Obama really only won for one reason. He's not Bush. He won by blaming Bush for everything. He is still trying to do that, but it's far less effective.
  • BP Oil spill: He did far less then he should have, and it hurt him in two ways. One is it shows he doesn't really connect well with Americans when a crisis happens. He also didn't seem to care much. I am sure he did care, he just did a poor job of showing it. Second, when you are so ineffective, it makes it hard to do the blame game. It's easy to use Katrina as an example of why Bush was an idiot. When your response to something is just as bad, it shows the people that big government just doesn't work, and it has less to do with Bush or Obama. You lose the ability to blame, and when that's your one trick, it sucks.
  • No wins: At this point, and it's been two years with complete control of Washington, he should have something to look at and say "But I accomplished XYZ". There is no "XYZ" for Obama.
  • The Wars: Meet the new guy. He is same as the old guy. Obama is Bush with respect to the war effort. That doesn't help
There are other things, Cap and Trade, Gitmo, etc, but those are the major points that are hurting him.
I have no idea how he gets elected next term. Only thing that can save him, is if Republicans take over Congress, and he then has someone to blame again for the failings of Washington.

I know you're pretty biased, but that seems like a fair point tbh

The blame game: Obama really only won for one reason. He's not Bush. He won by blaming Bush for everything. He is still trying to do that, but it's far less effective.

Especially this, seems that's exactly what has happened in my country.

Thanks for the summary ^^ I thought the time the BP oil spill went on for was atrocious.



 

MARCUSDJACKSON on 06 August 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
chocoloco said:

Has not changed my vote and I still have a very, very, very bitter taste in my mouth from the Bush era. So hell no he should be fine. I'm pretty sure I can't be the only one. Also the youth vote leans towards liberals and the aged voters who favor conservatives keep dying more and more each year.


dito. i'm on board with this


Young people 30 years ago were all liberals too. Now they are 50 and understand the world better, and realize they were wrong.

Every year new conservative are born... just 30-40 years after they were really born.


yea thats nice. remember republicans put us into this mess and Obama is doing nothing more then getting us out. 8 yr's of failure from the Republicans to catch the problem and now people want back in and miracles? you want them, the ones that spun the the words and created lies trying to manipulate the american public into believing for one that Obama's not a citizen of the country he was born in. they wouldn't have let him run if he wasn't. we all know the Govinator can't run so how would Obama slip through the cracks? 

are you kidding me? the world is already going to hell, and now people want the party that couldn't run the country when they had the power to drag us down again. simply unacceptable.

i will Reach really really far out and say that Micheal Steele head of the RNC is the ANTICHRIST and the Republicans are nothing more the HITLERS SPAWN.  

i'm actually scared of a group of people that want to be in control as much as Republicans do. when someone wants power that bad be prepared for the worse if Republicans get back in office. 

this is the sign of the end of days, 2012 is Armageddon the Apocalypse if Republicans get back in office.



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mhsillen on 06 August 2010
Mr Khan said:
Seece said:

Can someone sum up why Obama's approval rate is so low?


Conservative media FUD that tells us he's ruining the country and that Health Care reform is somehow going to make things worse.

 

The screamers are having an impact, simply put. We need to reverse Nixon's strategy, and get the silent majority working for the left.


How do you know that the reform is good for the country? The msm ignored the workings of the massive bill.

If you don't buy the "free Healthcare" then you are taxed into the stone age.

It's not dem or repub it has to be whats good for the country?

I read some of it, did you?