You say that but most economists agree that the stimulus was good for the economy and that it needed to be bigger.  Since they dedicate their whole lives to understanding the economy I have an inclination to trust them, that and we had half a year of growth and recovery.  And a nanny state? There's a difference between a safety net and coddeling, our entire recession was the result of deregulation and reckless spending, we need more control and moderation rather than less of it.  I agree though we do need more independent thinkers running to see real change.

Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group

Compared with 2008, more Americans "conservative" in general, and on issues

There are a grand total of 9 instances of an incumbent failing to get re-elected, and Obama's position can only possibly compare to that of Grover Cleveland, if we're looking at loser incumbents, where Cleveland's anti-tariff legislation was just so hotly opposed that they ran him out.

But the Republicans are going to eviscerate themselves in 2012. 2010 is going to be a decent year for them, 2016 may be better, but 2012 you're going to see them implode, because the rift between the screaming libertarians and the neo-cons is going to be spectacular, when the Republican party that invented the War on Terror comes face to face with the Republican party that claims to care about balanced budgets. It's not going to be pretty, all the more so since the issue of pulling out of Afghanistan will be fresh on everyone's minds at the time (if Obama has the guts to do the 2011 pullout as planned)

Think of 1968 and the Democrats. When the Democrats that invented the Vietnam War clashed with the Democrats that called for human and civil rights. Just less overt violence, but tinted with our 24-hour cable news constant spin. It'll be a massacre.

I think the families who lost a loved one in the towers do not think it is a made up war

Some people just hate others because they are not like you, they are evil and they think their god wants the evil satans dead.  It's a fact, there is no bargaining with them. But I understand the paranoia  

The towers were hit twice not once.  And all around the world it is happenning

Sometimes you have to take action as hard as it is

I would laugh so hard if Palin actually made it in... No, seriously. I'd laugh.

I think Obama has the smart but he's still human and vulnerable to power->corruption.

Obama was birthed politically from the most corrupt machine in Chicago. He used dirty measures to assail those running against him so they had to bow out.  He has Blago's dirty all over him.

He was never properly vetted by the press as they took turns greedly going down on him.  He had next to no experience and never held a real job. And they attacted Palin experience and gave Obama a pass it was a joke.

I think the biggest problem is that pre-election, people acted like he was some kind of prophet who would, if he became president, somehow magically solve all things wrong in the US, and they'd all be headed toward some golden age of fuzzy happiness.

The world doesn't work like that, and Obama's only human. I think he's done pretty well so far, all things considered, but whether he'll be re-elected is anyone's guess right now. We'll see.

I'm not sure, but I still hate all forms of established government anyway. Though Obama is the last person I want running this country...

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Man I hope the american voters aren't that ignorant to vote him in again.

I think he will. The reason his poll numbers are so low now is because people simply expected way too much from him at the beginning of his presidency. With all things considered, I think he's done an ok job, could be better, but he's still accomplished major things. By the time 2012 comes around, Unemployment will surely be lower by then, we'll be out of Iraq and hopefully doing something meaningful in Afghanistan or withdrawing from there.

What I DO know is that the same ideas that got us into this mess will not get us out of it.