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MARCUSDJACKSON said:

thats good to hear, but if you find a reason to do other wise i will understand.

agreed on all points. your on fire today! i definitely can see how GT5 would appeal to a widening base. 

i'm not sure about ESPN on the 360 being a system seller let alone being important to the 360 as a seller, but what do i know, i'm not a big sports fan even though my state team who dat won the super bowl. repeat anyone? 

do you believe move or Natal will have any major effect on holiday sells cause me my self is not convinced? 

Well in regards to ESPN, its something which compliments the strengths of the console with M18-35 audiences whilst complimenting services already on the console like Netflix, Zune music and in the future Kinect. Since Netflix is already a confirmed first tier system seller in that it has sold Xbox 360s to people whom weren't interested in an Xbox 360 previously and this area is still under-served it has to be considered as a potential strong system seller given sports are so popular, especially in America. Its at least as important as Netflix exclusivity was in 2008 when the Xbox 360 had very strong sales and it goes on to compliment Netflix as a service. So whilst Netflix alone might not sell a console and a Live subscription, Netflix ESPN might especially when the console itself is much improved.

I think when considering Kinect vs Move the former will probably do better than the latter this christmas because the Xbox 360 does better in the U.S.A. and the U.S.A. has better demographics in terms of the number of families who have children and the U.S.A. is gets a higher proportion of its sales from Christmas so this is why the Xbox 360 does relatively better than the PS3 in Q4 and why the PS3 does better in Q1-3.

Kinect will probably do better up front because it has the advertising and hype to muscle out Move. What I can't say is how well Kinect will do in Q1/Q2 next year whilst on the other hand im pretty certain Move is going to pick up momentum as time passes because Sony is first trying to sell Move to their current userbase whereas Kinect is attempting to bring in more unattached gamers. As Sony expands their offerings and starts to release their key Move titles like Killzone 3, Sorcery etc they will start to pick up the pace with existing and new customers. The key time for Move is Christmas 2011 where Sony can bring together both the games and bring the price down to a level where they can expand the market of the PS3. Christmas 2010 and the Q1/Q2 2011 are just setting Sony up for Christmas 2011 because they need to build off an existing userbase to drive adoption. They have to put Move controllers into peoples hands before they can sell Move and convice people that its better than the Wiimote. They don't have the luxury of selling a camera controller with the novelty and the ease of demonstration that Microsoft has.



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well guys personally i don’t really care if ps3 will be second in sales in 3 years(or sooner)...lets face it the success of Microsoft is not that until now xbox 360 is second in sales or it is a better machine(which it is not,i think that ps3 and xbox 360 have their pos and neg)...the big success of Microsoft is that it took a big part in gaming market...So even if Microsoft didn’t support well xbox or didn’t make xbox 360 more reliable and stable from the start the big issue here is that Microsoft entered in console market, took a big part in gaming market and showed that it is here to stay and be competitive with Sony....



Jay520 said:

In terms of quality games, the PS3 caught the 360 a long time ago IMO.


I think that in terms of this generation the best games are mult-platforms (some times 360/PC). And it's not all a matter of quality, we are discussing sales.

I don't have to say that Reach will outsell GT5 because it'll be a AAA game against a BBB. As far I have seen GT5 will be fantastic BUT....

... racing games are no longer apeals to general public and gamers. 

Think in terms of films franchises. The biggest and more sucessful sequels have 3 or 4 years gap. And nowadays 2 years (Transformers) or less (Twilight).

I can see Killzone 3 selling more than GT5 and PS3 consoles as well. 



Dark_Feanor said:
Jay520 said:

In terms of quality games, the PS3 caught the 360 a long time ago IMO.


I think that in terms of this generation the best games are mult-platforms (some times 360/PC). And it's not all a matter of quality, we are discussing sales.

I don't have to say that Reach will outsell GT5 because it'll be a AAA game against a BBB. As far I have seen GT5 will be fantastic BUT....

... racing games are no longer apeals to general public and gamers. 

Think in terms of films franchises. The biggest and more sucessful sequels have 3 or 4 years gap. And nowadays 2 years (Transformers) or less (Twilight).

I can see Killzone 3 selling more than GT5 and PS3 consoles as well. 

I think you're overestimating Killzone and underestimating GT. 

Since you probably don't know this. KZ2 sold about 2.5mil and GT4 sold over 10mil. And GT3 sold 14mil.



Squilliam said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

thats good to hear, but if you find a reason to do other wise i will understand.

agreed on all points. your on fire today! i definitely can see how GT5 would appeal to a widening base. 

i'm not sure about ESPN on the 360 being a system seller let alone being important to the 360 as a seller, but what do i know, i'm not a big sports fan even though my state team who dat won the super bowl. repeat anyone? 

do you believe move or Natal will have any major effect on holiday sells cause me my self is not convinced? 

Well in regards to ESPN, its something which compliments the strengths of the console with M18-35 audiences whilst complimenting services already on the console like Netflix, Zune music and in the future Kinect. Since Netflix is already a confirmed first tier system seller in that it has sold Xbox 360s to people whom weren't interested in an Xbox 360 previously and this area is still under-served it has to be considered as a potential strong system seller given sports are so popular, especially in America. Its at least as important as Netflix exclusivity was in 2008 when the Xbox 360 had very strong sales and it goes on to compliment Netflix as a service. So whilst Netflix alone might not sell a console and a Live subscription, Netflix ESPN might especially when the console itself is much improved.

I think when considering Kinect vs Move the former will probably do better than the latter this christmas because the Xbox 360 does better in the U.S.A. and the U.S.A. has better demographics in terms of the number of families who have children and the U.S.A. is gets a higher proportion of its sales from Christmas so this is why the Xbox 360 does relatively better than the PS3 in Q4 and why the PS3 does better in Q1-3.

Kinect will probably do better up front because it has the advertising and hype to muscle out Move. What I can't say is how well Kinect will do in Q1/Q2 next year whilst on the other hand im pretty certain Move is going to pick up momentum as time passes because Sony is first trying to sell Move to their current userbase whereas Kinect is attempting to bring in more unattached gamers. As Sony expands their offerings and starts to release their key Move titles like Killzone 3, Sorcery etc they will start to pick up the pace with existing and new customers. The key time for Move is Christmas 2011 where Sony can bring together both the games and bring the price down to a level where they can expand the market of the PS3. Christmas 2010 and the Q1/Q2 2011 are just setting Sony up for Christmas 2011 because they need to build off an existing userbase to drive adoption. They have to put Move controllers into peoples hands before they can sell Move and convice people that its better than the Wiimote. They don't have the luxury of selling a camera controller with the novelty and the ease of demonstration that Microsoft has.


great perspective. i see your point. 



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 I think the PS3 will catch up next year, since Sony has room for another price drop which could boost sales considerably. However I think the difference before the next generation will be mostly irrelevant (within 10 million of each other) and in that sense, Sony's 2nd place will still be their loss overall. 



Raum said:

 

well guys personally i don’t really care if ps3 will be second in sales in 3 years(or sooner)...lets face it the success of Microsoft is not that until now xbox 360 is second in sales or it is a better machine(which it is not,i think that ps3 and xbox 360 have their pos and neg)...the big success of Microsoft is that it took a big part in gaming market...So even if Microsoft didn’t support well xbox or didn’t make xbox 360 more reliable and stable from the start the big issue here is that Microsoft entered in console market, took a big part in gaming market and showed that it is here to stay and be competitive with Sony....

i am sorry if anyone take this wrong but part of the success of microsoft wasn't really theirs ps3 is more expensive and harder to code.

microsoft was able to get a cpu they could get ports easily since third party don't core using spus and selling cheaper, less quality console.

sony practically shoot emself in the foot



Xoj said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Xoj said:

erm, it will do 4-5m just in europe alone, halo reach won't move consoles becasue halo3 and osdt already on the console. its userbase its there.

GT5 its first full GT, prologue did almost 4m? and 39% of GT5 buyers doesn't have even have a ps3.


You seem to understand trends... so explain to me why people buy the Xbox 360 every day? I mean its been out for years and people are barely buying it? Also, both ODST and Halo 3 rank fairly high in the sales charts. Why is that? Why didn't everyone interested in Halo buy those games a long time ago?

Basically I'm saying your logic is wrong. There will be a big sales spike of 360 consoles when Halo Reach hits the market. Neither of us can quite explain why, but it'll happen.

I won't even argue with your GT5 statistic. I imagine that was determined by a small survey and has no validity.


others games reach platfrom halo isnt the only game on the platform but most people that want to play halo 3-reach most likely have the console, bump won't be as big as Gt5 that's for sure, the boost in sales will be nil.

PS3 console sales will have the benefit of the holidays and GT5 at the same. So I expect PS3 sales to big for those reasons.

Even though other Halo games are on the 360, I guarantee there will be a significant console sales boost from Reach. Saying it'll be "nil" shows just how incredibly bias you are. I bet you also downplayed the impact of the recent Slim console with $50 price cut on old models. And we all know that impact wasn't "nil."



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Mr Puggsly said:
Xoj said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Xoj said:

erm, it will do 4-5m just in europe alone, halo reach won't move consoles becasue halo3 and osdt already on the console. its userbase its there.

GT5 its first full GT, prologue did almost 4m? and 39% of GT5 buyers doesn't have even have a ps3.


You seem to understand trends... so explain to me why people buy the Xbox 360 every day? I mean its been out for years and people are barely buying it? Also, both ODST and Halo 3 rank fairly high in the sales charts. Why is that? Why didn't everyone interested in Halo buy those games a long time ago?

Basically I'm saying your logic is wrong. There will be a big sales spike of 360 consoles when Halo Reach hits the market. Neither of us can quite explain why, but it'll happen.

I won't even argue with your GT5 statistic. I imagine that was determined by a small survey and has no validity.


others games reach platfrom halo isnt the only game on the platform but most people that want to play halo 3-reach most likely have the console, bump won't be as big as Gt5 that's for sure, the boost in sales will be nil.

PS3 console sales will have the benefit of the holidays and GT5 at the same. So I expect PS3 sales to big for those reasons.

Even though other Halo games are on the 360, I guarantee there will be a significant console sales boost from Reach. Saying it'll be "nil" shows just how incredibly bias you are. I bet you also downplayed the impact of the recent Slim console with $50 price cut on old models. And we all know that impact wasn't "nil."

because most userbase its there. its happen almost all the time.

second instances dont produce a huge boost.



Xoj said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Xoj said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Xoj said:

erm, it will do 4-5m just in europe alone, halo reach won't move consoles becasue halo3 and osdt already on the console. its userbase its there.

GT5 its first full GT, prologue did almost 4m? and 39% of GT5 buyers doesn't have even have a ps3.


You seem to understand trends... so explain to me why people buy the Xbox 360 every day? I mean its been out for years and people are barely buying it? Also, both ODST and Halo 3 rank fairly high in the sales charts. Why is that? Why didn't everyone interested in Halo buy those games a long time ago?

Basically I'm saying your logic is wrong. There will be a big sales spike of 360 consoles when Halo Reach hits the market. Neither of us can quite explain why, but it'll happen.

I won't even argue with your GT5 statistic. I imagine that was determined by a small survey and has no validity.


others games reach platfrom halo isnt the only game on the platform but most people that want to play halo 3-reach most likely have the console, bump won't be as big as Gt5 that's for sure, the boost in sales will be nil.

PS3 console sales will have the benefit of the holidays and GT5 at the same. So I expect PS3 sales to big for those reasons.

Even though other Halo games are on the 360, I guarantee there will be a significant console sales boost from Reach. Saying it'll be "nil" shows just how incredibly bias you are. I bet you also downplayed the impact of the recent Slim console with $50 price cut on old models. And we all know that impact wasn't "nil."

because most userbase its there. its happen almost all the time.

second instances dont produce a huge boost.

I'm not even sure what you're saying. Its almost like you pulled a quick response out of your ass.



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