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Tanstalas said:
Kasz216 said:
Tanstalas said:
Kasz216 said:
Tanstalas said:
Kasz216 said:

Exactly the same.

Minus churches... more or less anyway.


And probably a lot less little children traumatized and scarred for life..

 

Just sayin'

If your reffering to pedophillia.  It's actually less common in the priesthood then it is in the general population.


It would still be a lot less... or do you disagree with my statement?

Well of coruse I do.

It's far less common in churches then it is in the regular population.  This means one of two things.

1) Churches attract less pedophiles then everyday life.

2) Churches cause less pedophiles then everyday life.

 

If you believe in 1.  The answer is there would be just as much traumitized children.

If you believe in 2.  The answer is there would be MORE traumitized children.

There is no way with religion there would be less traumitized chidlren based on the facts.

Chances are however... it's number 1. 


Even if it was 1 child affected by the church, I would consider that "a lot" - apparently you have different views... o.0

Yeah... it's called common sense.

If religion didn't exist.  Those pedophiles still would... they just wouldn't be priests.

It's like saying the yankees are responsible for a bunch of deaths because a serial killer was a Janitor at their stadium.

He would of been a serial killer no matter his job.



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Kasz216 said:
Tanstalas said:
Kasz216 said:
Tanstalas said:
Kasz216 said:
Tanstalas said:
Kasz216 said:

Exactly the same.

Minus churches... more or less anyway.


And probably a lot less little children traumatized and scarred for life..

 

Just sayin'

If your reffering to pedophillia.  It's actually less common in the priesthood then it is in the general population.


It would still be a lot less... or do you disagree with my statement?

Well of coruse I do.

It's far less common in churches then it is in the regular population.  This means one of two things.

1) Churches attract less pedophiles then everyday life.

2) Churches cause less pedophiles then everyday life.

 

If you believe in 1.  The answer is there would be just as much traumitized children.

If you believe in 2.  The answer is there would be MORE traumitized children.

There is no way with religion there would be less traumitized chidlren based on the facts.

Chances are however... it's number 1. 


Even if it was 1 child affected by the church, I would consider that "a lot" - apparently you have different views... o.0

Yeah... it's called common sense.

If religion didn't exist.  Those pedophiles still would... they just wouldn't be priests.

It's like saying the yankees are responsible for a bunch of deaths because a serial killer was a Janitor at their stadium.

He would of been a serial killer no matter his job.


Your example about janitor being a serial killer isnt comparable to the priest having a relation of power over children particularly in the orphanages in the 60-70. The janitor would probably be a serial killer nonetheless since a Janitor job doesnt usually trigger agressivity or lust for killing. The same thing couldnt be said of an army veteran who become a serial killer. Same thing apply to the orphanage pedophile priest, he wouldnt necessarily be pedophile if he wouldnt be priest in an orphanage. Maybe he would but not neccessarily.

Its a well known fact in psychology (its not common sense it seems) that environment play a major role in the development of mental problems. A funny extreme example:  if you are tomorrow taken prisoner and put in total seclusion for 5 years. Chances are that you would develop mental problem. Would you had mental problem anyway, probably not.

Between, the situation with priests and pedophilia was very bad 40-50 years ago. The percentage of pedophile priest was way higher than the percentage of pedophile in the general population. This is why many people associate pedophilia with priesthood. It doesnt came out of nowhere...



Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Tanstalas said:
Kasz216 said:
Tanstalas said:
Kasz216 said:
Tanstalas said:
Kasz216 said:

Exactly the same.

Minus churches... more or less anyway.


And probably a lot less little children traumatized and scarred for life..

 

Just sayin'

If your reffering to pedophillia.  It's actually less common in the priesthood then it is in the general population.


It would still be a lot less... or do you disagree with my statement?

Well of coruse I do.

It's far less common in churches then it is in the regular population.  This means one of two things.

1) Churches attract less pedophiles then everyday life.

2) Churches cause less pedophiles then everyday life.

 

If you believe in 1.  The answer is there would be just as much traumitized children.

If you believe in 2.  The answer is there would be MORE traumitized children.

There is no way with religion there would be less traumitized chidlren based on the facts.

Chances are however... it's number 1. 


Even if it was 1 child affected by the church, I would consider that "a lot" - apparently you have different views... o.0

Yeah... it's called common sense.

If religion didn't exist.  Those pedophiles still would... they just wouldn't be priests.

It's like saying the yankees are responsible for a bunch of deaths because a serial killer was a Janitor at their stadium.

He would of been a serial killer no matter his job.


Your example about janitor being a serial killer isnt comparable to the priest having a relation of power over children particularly in the orphanages in the 60-70. The janitor would probably be a serial killer nonetheless since a Janitor job doesnt usually trigger agressivity or lust for killing. The same thing couldnt be said of an army veteran who become a serial killer. Same thing apply to the orphanage pedophile priest, he wouldnt necessarily be pedophile if he wouldnt be priest in an orphanage. Maybe he would but not neccessarily.

Its a well known fact in psychology (its not common sense it seems) that environment play a major role in the development of mental problems. A funny extreme example:  if you are tomorrow taken prisoner and put in total seclusion for 5 years. Chances are that you would develop mental problem. Would you had mental problem anyway, probably not.

Between, the situation with priests and pedophilia was very bad 40-50 years ago. The percentage of pedophile priest was way higher than the percentage of pedophile in the general population. This is why many people associate pedophilia with priesthood. It doesnt came out of nowhere...


And... your completely wrong.  The percentage of pedohplies in teh priesthood was never way higher then the percentage of pedophiles in the general population.

Again it's lower.  That's what the research shows.

So... you are completley off base and misinformed.

Also pedophillia is something that is caused at a very early age... by the time someone would be old enough to be a priest said behevaior will have already manifested.

Additionally research seems there is a heavy biological component involved.


People don't just become pedophiles.  They have to be biologically receptive and also have something else trigger it... before or during their sexual development.

30 year old people don't magically become pedophiles.  Once you hit sexual maturity you are either  a pedophile or you aren't.

I think you need to do some more studying of Psychology.

I mean heck... teachers have power over children... parents too.  Do you think Parenthood turns people into pedophiles?



Trust me when I say this.

There would still be war and violence. It would be exactly the same as now except an alternate reality. Violence is in man's born nauture and with age comes reason to end such violence. Although if a man leads a violent life and does nothing to stop he will forever be violent.

Other than that we would have the Otters of the AAA (Allied Atheist Alliance), the Humans of the UAA (United Atheist Alliance), and a rival Human Faction, the UAL (Unified Atheist League).We would all still be screwed.  But we would still wage war because each country or nation would think it's beleifs no matter how similar is better than a rival groups opinion.

It's like saying if there were no systems or one system in the Console Wars would there be no Fanboys? Only if there was one game studio that made all the games for one system and they all had the same mascot with all genres being extremily similar to each other. Not only would that be a Monopoly but a bore t the same time. Except for the war that is waged upon one such Monopoly to end it once and for all or expand into other territorries. In the end there can only be war.

That's my opinion btw. Take it or leave it.



FootballFan - "GT has never been bigger than Halo. Now do a comparison between the two attach ratios and watch GT get stomped by Halo. Reach will sell 5 million more than GT5. Quote me on it."

I can't think of any times in history an organised group of people have commited mass muder and forced de-conversion in the name of having no belief in a deity...

You'd have to throw in other extreme systems like totalitarian communism or something to find examples of the organised destruction of the religious by atheists.


I would argue that all children are negatively affected by the church because in my opinion teaching belief in something without evidence (ie faith) is damaging and dangerous. Especially in a world thats derived from the scientific method.



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FaRmLaNd said:

I can't think of any times in history an organised group of people have commited mass muder and forced de-conversion in the name of having no belief in a deity...

You'd have to throw in other extreme systems like totalitarian communism or something to find examples of the organised destruction of the religious by atheists.


I would argue that all children are negatively affected by the church because in my opinion teaching belief in something without evidence (ie faith) is damaging and dangerous. Especially in a world thats derived from the scientific method.


That's because every nation, country or whatever does have something.

Even Christians of all sorts can't get along with other Christians.

So if we all beleived nothing which is impossible btw then we would still fight about anything else. I mean if a country beleived green should be their color and no other nation could use it then there would be a war on that.

Look at Mexico and the drug wars. No religion there at least not a main point. It's all about drugs and who gets to use/sell and who doesn't.  Why is the U.S. in the Middle East. Oil or Weopons of mass destruction. Those are not beleifs but we still fight. Then again the U.S. also likes to get into everones business although the U.S. doesn't beleive in any one religion or at least letting any religion have influence on Government.

Even though there are some strong previous religious beleifs instilled in the US government they were kept as a base to support the freedom and rights of everyone. I mean I hope I didn't learn about the Serperation of Church and State for no reason at all.

Wars are fought over territories and power. Over goods and grudges.

Here are non-religios wars.

100 Years War
30 Years War
Wars of the Roses
The battles of Genghis Khan
Tamerlane's invasions of China and India

The French and Indian War
The American Revolution
The French Revolution
The War of 1812
The Napoleonic Wars
The War for Texas Independence
The Mexican Revolution
The Mexican War
The War between the States
The Crimean War
The Boer Wars
The Spanish-American War
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Desert Storm
Iraqi Freedom
Battle of Hastings
The list is endless.



FootballFan - "GT has never been bigger than Halo. Now do a comparison between the two attach ratios and watch GT get stomped by Halo. Reach will sell 5 million more than GT5. Quote me on it."

How about everyone everywhere get used to the idea that Religion is here and is here to stay.

There will be wars over anything and conflict over nothing. I fought at the bar last week cause I played Slayer on the Juxbox last week and he hated metal. We both had a beleif and a few in us. He started it and I ended it. Enough said.

There world would still exist and technology moving foward regardless of Religion. The key is not to let your religion control you just as you should not let your own animal instincts take over you. Have tolerance in all religions and let those to stubburn to do so live in there own ignorant bliss. If they choose to harm someone as a result then take matters into your own hands to end the conflict.



FootballFan - "GT has never been bigger than Halo. Now do a comparison between the two attach ratios and watch GT get stomped by Halo. Reach will sell 5 million more than GT5. Quote me on it."

There would have only been like 1/5th the wars, and a lot less sickness and death... Less raceism.. less everything bad. Religions are outdated concepts that work great in small anchient communities, but cause hatered and war on a large scale.




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novasonic said:

There would have only been like 1/5th the wars, and a lot less sickness and death... Less raceism.. less everything bad. Religions are outdated concepts that work great in small anchient communities, but cause hatered and war on a large scale.


I would say 1/5 is a bit of an overkill. Religion is the best example of good and evil being both in the same.

There has been alot of good and alot of bad to come from religion. But to foolishly say Religion is 80% bad would just be a sad pathetic and ignorant thing to say.

How about drugs and alcohol? Does that make up completly for the rest of that 20%? Did religion create these as well?



FootballFan - "GT has never been bigger than Halo. Now do a comparison between the two attach ratios and watch GT get stomped by Halo. Reach will sell 5 million more than GT5. Quote me on it."

BTW i'm Athiest and beleive that religion may not be the best answer. But it exist and will always be.

I'm tolerant to all who are tolerant to me.

I do favor the mythology and lore from christiananity more than other religions. It's right up there with Greek Mythology and Roman.



FootballFan - "GT has never been bigger than Halo. Now do a comparison between the two attach ratios and watch GT get stomped by Halo. Reach will sell 5 million more than GT5. Quote me on it."