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makingmusic476 on 01 August 2010

...in a rather objective and obvious way.  But hey, I figured why not hear what the guys crunching the numbers have to say.  And since we can't currently post comments on news articles, it's not like we have any other way to discuss this information!

Sony did not revise its forecast for PS3, PSP, and PS2 in the year ending March 2011. As with the May forecast, Sony still intends to ship 15m PS3s, 8m PSPs, and 6m PS2s worldwide during the year. The company also still intends to see about 195m games shipped for its three platforms as the software forecast is listed as "approx same as FY 3/2010" when 195m Playstation games were shipped worldwide by Sony and third parties.

[...]

Lifetime to date PS3 shipments are now within 4 million units of lifetime to date X360 shipments. X360 stands at 41.7m through June 2010, while PS3 is at 38.1m. The gap should expand again a bit in the September quarter due to the X360 Slim, but the devices are roughly on par worldwide now.

Software shipments for both PS3 and PSP, and PS3 hardware shipments increased for Sony over the June 2009 quarter. Since Sony did not change its software forecast, the company must be expecting PS2 / PSP declines to roughly offset any PS3 gains over the next nine months. At the moment though, Playstation software shipments are ahead of last year's pace - 37.4m to 31.6m - about 18%.

Given the way he mentions the ps3/360 gap, it implies that he doesn't believe there's anything unusual going on with Sony's accounting methods, as I would suspect he'd mention (if only in passing) something about Sony/Microsoft's methods for counting shipped units if that were the case.  But that's just speculation on my part.  Hopefully either TheSource or ioi will elaborate on how they view Sony's shipped figures versus their sold figures sometime soon, to help put to rest the numerous theories running amok amongst the community.

And if we could confine all questions, concerns, comments, arguments, etc. about Sony's shipment figures to this thread, that'd be nice.  We've already had 2-3 other threads discussing essentially the same topic, and I figure one thread centered around information straight from Sony and TheSource would best.

Also, Mr. Source, if you read this, I'd suggest fixing the typo in your second paragraph!



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darthdevidem01 on 01 August 2010

What I don't get is even if SONY overshipped PS3's, why?

Why did retailers order PS3's, why did they let SONY stuff the channel when there was no significant software release compared to the blockbuster filled Q1?



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Charreaper on 01 August 2010

Even if Sony did overship console units by close to 2 million units, whats the big issue, as we will likewise see a corresponding decline in shipment figures for the next quarter as retailers  clear their excess inventory,so in the end no one is really gaining an advantage



Ping_ii on 01 August 2010
kowenicki said:
makingmusic476 said:

...in a rather objective and obvious way.  But hey, I figured why not hear what the guys crunching the numbers have to say.  And since we can't currently post comments on news articles, it's not like we have any other way to discuss this information!

Sony did not revise its forecast for PS3, PSP, and PS2 in the year ending March 2011. As with the May forecast, Sony still intends to ship 15m PS3s, 8m PSPs, and 6m PS2s worldwide during the year. The company also still intends to see about 195m games shipped for its three platforms as the software forecast is listed as "approx same as FY 3/2010" when 195m Playstation games were shipped worldwide by Sony and third parties.

[...]

Lifetime to date PS3 shipments are now within 4 million units of lifetime to date X360 shipments. X360 stands at 41.7m through June 2010, while PS3 is at 38.1m. The gap should expand again a bit in the September quarter due to the X360 Slim, but the devices are roughly on par worldwide now.

Software shipments for both PS3 and PSP, and PS3 hardware shipments increased for Sony over the June 2009 quarter. Since Sony did not change its software forecast, the company must be expecting PS2 / PSP declines to roughly offset any PS3 gains over the next nine months. At the moment though, Playstation software shipments are ahead of last year's pace - 37.4m to 31.6m - about 18%.

Given the way he mentions the ps3/360 gap, it implies that he doesn't believe there's anything unusual going on with Sony's accounting methods, as I would suspect he'd mention (if only in passing) something about Sony/Microsoft's methods for counting shipped units if that were the case.  But that's just speculation on my part.  Hopefully either TheSource or ioi will elaborate on how they view Sony's shipped figures versus their sold figures sometime soon, to help put to rest the numerous theories running amok amongst the community.

And if we could confine all questions, concerns, comments, arguments, etc. about Sony's shipment figures to this thread, that'd be nice.  We've already had 2-3 other threads discussing essentially the same topic, and I figure one thread centered around information straight from Sony and TheSource would best.

Also, Mr. Source, if you read this, I'd suggest fixing the typo in your second paragraph!



tbh I thought threads (arguments) about shipped v sold were banned.    They certainly were once.

I also dont think there are numerous theories running amok... certain sony fans think they are undertracked and thats about it.

Oh.. and what makes you think you cant comment on news articles?... the very article you are talking about has 27 comments on it... we have always been able to comment.

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/81113/sonys-networked-division-loses-43m-in-apr-jun-as-ps3-nears-x360/

 


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=113707

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3555500

Such sony fanboys they are........



makingmusic476 on 01 August 2010
kowenicki said:

tbh I thought threads (arguments) about shipped v sold were banned.    They certainly were once.

I also dont think there are numerous theories running amok... certain sony fans think they are undertracked and thats about it.

Oh.. and what makes you think you cant comment on news articles?... the very article you are talking about has 27 comments on it... we have always been able to comment.

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/81113/sonys-networked-division-loses-43m-in-apr-jun-as-ps3-nears-x360/

 


It's quite a bit more than people claiming the system is undetracked.  There are theories about Sony stuffing the channel, Sony counting their shipped units differently from Nintendo/Microsoft, etc. etc.

And it seems you can only comment through gamrfeed.  I had been viewing articles through VGChartz, and apparently you can't comment via that portal.  I had assumed it was just one of the many features temporarily removed in the transition to 3.0. 

Having one article span multiple sites like this is really confusing.  x_x



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Lastgengamer on 01 August 2010

You can post comments on news articles through gamrfeed.com although not vgchartz.com for some reason.

Also since this is somewhat of a big discrepancy I'm sure the Source is looking into it so there shouldn't be so much worry over all this.   



Ping_ii on 01 August 2010
kowenicki said:
Ping_ii said:
kowenicki said:
makingmusic476 said:

...in a rather objective and obvious way.  But hey, I figured why not hear what the guys crunching the numbers have to say.  And since we can't currently post comments on news articles, it's not like we have any other way to discuss this information!

Sony did not revise its forecast for PS3, PSP, and PS2 in the year ending March 2011. As with the May forecast, Sony still intends to ship 15m PS3s, 8m PSPs, and 6m PS2s worldwide during the year. The company also still intends to see about 195m games shipped for its three platforms as the software forecast is listed as "approx same as FY 3/2010" when 195m Playstation games were shipped worldwide by Sony and third parties.

[...]

Lifetime to date PS3 shipments are now within 4 million units of lifetime to date X360 shipments. X360 stands at 41.7m through June 2010, while PS3 is at 38.1m. The gap should expand again a bit in the September quarter due to the X360 Slim, but the devices are roughly on par worldwide now.

Software shipments for both PS3 and PSP, and PS3 hardware shipments increased for Sony over the June 2009 quarter. Since Sony did not change its software forecast, the company must be expecting PS2 / PSP declines to roughly offset any PS3 gains over the next nine months. At the moment though, Playstation software shipments are ahead of last year's pace - 37.4m to 31.6m - about 18%.

Given the way he mentions the ps3/360 gap, it implies that he doesn't believe there's anything unusual going on with Sony's accounting methods, as I would suspect he'd mention (if only in passing) something about Sony/Microsoft's methods for counting shipped units if that were the case.  But that's just speculation on my part.  Hopefully either TheSource or ioi will elaborate on how they view Sony's shipped figures versus their sold figures sometime soon, to help put to rest the numerous theories running amok amongst the community.

And if we could confine all questions, concerns, comments, arguments, etc. about Sony's shipment figures to this thread, that'd be nice.  We've already had 2-3 other threads discussing essentially the same topic, and I figure one thread centered around information straight from Sony and TheSource would best.

Also, Mr. Source, if you read this, I'd suggest fixing the typo in your second paragraph!



tbh I thought threads (arguments) about shipped v sold were banned.    They certainly were once.

I also dont think there are numerous theories running amok... certain sony fans think they are undertracked and thats about it.

Oh.. and what makes you think you cant comment on news articles?... the very article you are talking about has 27 comments on it... we have always been able to comment.

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/81113/sonys-networked-division-loses-43m-in-apr-jun-as-ps3-nears-x360/

 


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=113707

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3555500

Such sony fanboys they are........


where did I say fanboys? 


My bad........ * I ment FANS.

I forgot you can get banned for saying fanboys.



makingmusic476 on 01 August 2010

Ok, this thread wasn't intended to house an argument over *who* is coming up with theories about Sony's/VGChartz's figures.  Please drop it, as it won't lead to anywhere good.



M.U.G.E.N on 01 August 2010

oh this should be interesting

ms/ninty fans: they stuffed and they might have lied those who don't think so must be crazy sony fans and them only

sony fans: the difference is too large to ignore

those who don't really care : the numbers are odd indeed in comparison to others

Already saw several articles pop up around the web using this situation to discredit this site, so it's not an issue to be ignored since credibility and such is important so misunderstandings and such should be cleared off

 

few things tho

the next person who says Sony lied should be e-slapped....they won't lie about their shipment numbers and such to shareholders

If they lied and/or stuffed channels etc...they are doing something illegal as far as I know, you can't point fingers without backing it up

As far as I know 'mistaking' shipping vs sold and QUESTIONING vgc why their numbers aren't the same as shipment figures is ignorant and THAT is the bannable offense which makes sense unless your new to the site

I fully expect the usual anti sony force to paint anyone who has doubts as clueless sony fans and try to discredit them as they did...or rather do in every thread

At the end of the day doubt this issue will be solved

man I'm hungry :S need to go get something to eat now

That's all



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Diablerie on 01 August 2010
darthdevidem01 said:

What I don't get is even if SONY overshipped PS3's, why?

Why did retailers order PS3's, why did they let SONY stuff the channel when there was no significant software release compared to the blockbuster filled Q1?


And why has this been happening for 3 quarters straight?