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Jay520 said:
nightsurge said:

Simple answer.  Sony over shipped.  They stuffed the channels with PS3s.  I have seen full cabinets at Best Buys, Walmarts, GameStops, Targets, etc for more than 2 months now in the US.  Amazon and other online retailers haven't been sold out of PS3s in months either.


It's funny because just recently, SONY said that the shortages had officially ended.

I also forgot to mention that obviously 360 shipments would be much lower leading into the new 360 model.  Shipment numbers will make a lot more sense and be more in line with VGC gap numbers once the next quarter shipment figures are in.  That is unless one or the other overships in anticipation of the holidays.



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BigBoobieHead said:
dahuman said:

Just like when the PS3 Slim launched and started facing shortages, 360 is having the same effect atm, duh?

If PS3 and Xbox 360 are close this fall - which they are expected to be, and MS can't meet demand as well as Sony (even though there many be more 360 demand), then this 'real' gap may stay roughly the same.

I feel MS needs to sell more this fall to beat the PS3.


They do need to sell more.



rf40928 said:

PS3 sales surged thanks to slim PS3 and lower prices.

Now Xbox 360 is doing the same.  Anyone checked out their ridiculous numbers the last few weeks?  I'm betting they reverse Sony's surge and extend their lead back to 6 million in the next year.  The new Halo and other big titles will be helping XB360 ALOT this holiday season !


Okay so the 360 is getting Halo Reach.  Now Sony is getting Gran Turismo 5(Sony's Halo) LittleBigPlanet 2 and Socom 4.  Now wanna talk about next year?  Sony has Killzone 3 and Infamous 2.  360 has Gears.  I don't know when Fable 3 releases so you can add it to the year it releases.  I believe all these games are going to sell well.  Especially Gran Turismo 5 and Halo Reach.  Little Big Planet 2 should sell less since it's not too far away from GT5 and that is going to hurt it's sales.  But they will increase during the holidays.  Can you explain to me this other "big titles" for the 360?  All I've heard about is Halo.

P.S:  Let's keep Kinect and Move out of this.



Shipped == sold. Shipped MEANS that retails have purchased 360s or PS3s and they have been shipped to be sold at retail outlets.

 

Once they get on market any sales tracking is speculative. I expect the 360 to have a little bump from clearing out their old 360 stock, but the trend has been the PS3 catching up to the 360 for years.

And so what if the PS3 outsells the 360? Nothing will change in the real world, only that some 360 fanboys wil have to eat raw nasty dirty crow.



Steroid said:

Shipped == sold. Shipped MEANS that retails have purchased 360s or PS3s and they have been shipped to be sold at retail outlets.

 

Once they get on market any sales tracking is speculative. I expect the 360 to have a little bump from clearing out their old 360 stock, but the trend has been the PS3 catching up to the 360 for years.

And so what if the PS3 outsells the 360? Nothing will change in the real world, only that some 360 fanboys wil have to eat raw nasty dirty crow.

Haven't seen you in a while.  Good to see you haven't changed.

Shipped =/= sold.  Don't dispute this or you will likely be banned as the difference has been explained many many times already.

Also, if the trend was that the PS3 has been catching up to the 360 for years, then why over the first 3 years did the gap expand in the 360's favor from 5.5 million to 8 million.  Only in the last year has the gap gone back down to around 5 million.  And once again the 360 is building up momentum to extend that gap.



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kowenicki said:
Carl2291 said:
rf40928 said:
Carl2291 said:

lol, somebody obviously isn't happy that Sony are both lowering the gap AND profiting at the same time

OT:
Great news for Sony Lets hope they keep it up!

Well i beleive they did lower the gap somewhat thanks to the slimline ps3.. but things are going to change again with the new XB360.

I only wanted him to show me a REAL financial page in which he claimed both companies were in the red.. even concerning just the console division.  It doenst matter how many PS3's sony sells if they are still losing money financially.

Without proof, anything I post you post or boobihead post is just fanboy epinion and everyone here knows that.

Proof has been posted that...

a) Sony have made a profit this Quarter.
b) The gap is lower now, than it's ever been before.

As for the "change again"... We don't know if that will happen. We have no idea what Sony will do to counter it, and we have no idea if MS have anything else planned. We don't know if Move will take off, we don't know if Kinect will. It's pointless even trying to say something WILL happen now. We just have no idea. It's a guessing game. What we CAN say though, is that right now... The gap is lower than it's ever been before.


So you dont use VGC numbers anymore?  just shipped (of which the two compnaies have different definitions)

ok.. just checking.

The gap that matters is not smaller than it has ever been and is indeed growing, it is now more than it was when the PS3 launched.

Thats what VGC tracks, is about and promotes itself upon.  That is what I support as the most meaningful measure there is.  It is also in line with Famitsu, GFk and NPD which are the other agencies that track sales to consumers homes.

Does anyone think this is incorrect?

I've always said that the gap the companies will use as a measure of "sales" is the shipped number. That's why both MS and Sony say they have "sold" so many units. You think MS or Sony will come to VGC to say if they have outsold one or the other?

I do still use VGC numbers, but when the thread is about the shipments... Then we can use the shipments.

It's not incorrect at all, but it's not what the thread is about. If the thread was about VGC numbers, then of course... The gap wouldn't be the smallest it's been as the 360 has dominated for the past few week...



Carl2291 said:
kowenicki said:
Carl2291 said:
rf40928 said:
Carl2291 said:

lol, somebody obviously isn't happy that Sony are both lowering the gap AND profiting at the same time

OT:
Great news for Sony Lets hope they keep it up!

Well i beleive they did lower the gap somewhat thanks to the slimline ps3.. but things are going to change again with the new XB360.

I only wanted him to show me a REAL financial page in which he claimed both companies were in the red.. even concerning just the console division.  It doenst matter how many PS3's sony sells if they are still losing money financially.

Without proof, anything I post you post or boobihead post is just fanboy epinion and everyone here knows that.

Proof has been posted that...

a) Sony have made a profit this Quarter.
b) The gap is lower now, than it's ever been before.

As for the "change again"... We don't know if that will happen. We have no idea what Sony will do to counter it, and we have no idea if MS have anything else planned. We don't know if Move will take off, we don't know if Kinect will. It's pointless even trying to say something WILL happen now. We just have no idea. It's a guessing game. What we CAN say though, is that right now... The gap is lower than it's ever been before.


So you dont use VGC numbers anymore?  just shipped (of which the two compnaies have different definitions)

ok.. just checking.

The gap that matters is not smaller than it has ever been and is indeed growing, it is now more than it was when the PS3 launched.

Thats what VGC tracks, is about and promotes itself upon.  That is what I support as the most meaningful measure there is.  It is also in line with Famitsu, GFk and NPD which are the other agencies that track sales to consumers homes.

Does anyone think this is incorrect?

I've always said that the gap the companies will use as a measure of "sales" is the shipped number. That's why both MS and Sony say they have "sold" so many units. You think MS or Sony will come to VGC to say if they have outsold one or the other?

I do still use VGC numbers, but when the thread is about the shipments... Then we can use the shipments.

It's not incorrect at all, but it's not what the thread is about. If the thread was about VGC numbers, then of course... The gap wouldn't be the smallest it's been as the 360 has dominated for the past few week...

I agree, VGChartz if you think about it, in a sense is almost like a royalty to the gaming community. It provides itself as being a useful tool to try and determine actual "sales" the best you can, but still not an "Official" tool none the less.

And just like you said, MS/Sony won't be reporting VGChartz numbers to determine who is beating who anytime soon.

So to put it simply, determining who is beating who in the mighty Console war, we as a community may use VGChartz, but to the big three, as well as the masses in whole, this is determined by shipped.



I love this term 'stuffing the channels' as if Sony are forcing retailers to buy huge pallets of PS3s at gunpoint or something.

Retailers will only buy what they think they can sell without having to store them for long periods of time. They want to buy and sell on as quickly as possible.

Manufacturers will only manufacture what they can move on to retailers, anything more is a waste of assets and cash. Of course they will store some, but its supply and demand, and where possible just in time.



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Necromunda said:
Carl2291 said:
kowenicki said:
Carl2291 said:
rf40928 said:
Carl2291 said:

lol, somebody obviously isn't happy that Sony are both lowering the gap AND profiting at the same time

OT:
Great news for Sony Lets hope they keep it up!

Well i beleive they did lower the gap somewhat thanks to the slimline ps3.. but things are going to change again with the new XB360.

I only wanted him to show me a REAL financial page in which he claimed both companies were in the red.. even concerning just the console division.  It doenst matter how many PS3's sony sells if they are still losing money financially.

Without proof, anything I post you post or boobihead post is just fanboy epinion and everyone here knows that.

Proof has been posted that...

a) Sony have made a profit this Quarter.
b) The gap is lower now, than it's ever been before.

As for the "change again"... We don't know if that will happen. We have no idea what Sony will do to counter it, and we have no idea if MS have anything else planned. We don't know if Move will take off, we don't know if Kinect will. It's pointless even trying to say something WILL happen now. We just have no idea. It's a guessing game. What we CAN say though, is that right now... The gap is lower than it's ever been before.


So you dont use VGC numbers anymore?  just shipped (of which the two compnaies have different definitions)

ok.. just checking.

The gap that matters is not smaller than it has ever been and is indeed growing, it is now more than it was when the PS3 launched.

Thats what VGC tracks, is about and promotes itself upon.  That is what I support as the most meaningful measure there is.  It is also in line with Famitsu, GFk and NPD which are the other agencies that track sales to consumers homes.

Does anyone think this is incorrect?

I've always said that the gap the companies will use as a measure of "sales" is the shipped number. That's why both MS and Sony say they have "sold" so many units. You think MS or Sony will come to VGC to say if they have outsold one or the other?

I do still use VGC numbers, but when the thread is about the shipments... Then we can use the shipments.

It's not incorrect at all, but it's not what the thread is about. If the thread was about VGC numbers, then of course... The gap wouldn't be the smallest it's been as the 360 has dominated for the past few week...

I agree, VGChartz if you think about it, in a sense is almost like a royalty to the gaming community. It provides itself as being a useful tool to try and determine actual "sales" the best you can, but still not an "Official" tool none the less.

And just like you said, MS/Sony won't be reporting VGChartz numbers to determine who is beating who anytime soon.

So to put it simply, determining who is beating who in the mighty Console war, we as a community may use VGChartz, but to the big three, as well as the masses in whole, this is determined by shipped.

Well... ioi himself has claimed that VGC aims (or already has?) to have a  ~10% margin of error Worldwide. They do a damn fine job at what they do too... But while some big companies use VGC (Square-Enix, Guiness World Records, for example), we still aren't at the level of NPD, GFK, Mediacreate AFAIK... We ARE getting there though.

Give it a few years time, and we might start to see the big 3 use VGC sales for the games/consoles. As of right now though, I know for sure that they would rather use there own Shipment numbers... And the do.



Carl2291 said:
Necromunda said:
Carl2291 said:
kowenicki said:
Carl2291 said:
rf40928 said:
Carl2291 said:

lol, somebody obviously isn't happy that Sony are both lowering the gap AND profiting at the same time

OT:
Great news for Sony Lets hope they keep it up!

Well i beleive they did lower the gap somewhat thanks to the slimline ps3.. but things are going to change again with the new XB360.

I only wanted him to show me a REAL financial page in which he claimed both companies were in the red.. even concerning just the console division.  It doenst matter how many PS3's sony sells if they are still losing money financially.

Without proof, anything I post you post or boobihead post is just fanboy epinion and everyone here knows that.

Proof has been posted that...

a) Sony have made a profit this Quarter.
b) The gap is lower now, than it's ever been before.

As for the "change again"... We don't know if that will happen. We have no idea what Sony will do to counter it, and we have no idea if MS have anything else planned. We don't know if Move will take off, we don't know if Kinect will. It's pointless even trying to say something WILL happen now. We just have no idea. It's a guessing game. What we CAN say though, is that right now... The gap is lower than it's ever been before.


So you dont use VGC numbers anymore?  just shipped (of which the two compnaies have different definitions)

ok.. just checking.

The gap that matters is not smaller than it has ever been and is indeed growing, it is now more than it was when the PS3 launched.

Thats what VGC tracks, is about and promotes itself upon.  That is what I support as the most meaningful measure there is.  It is also in line with Famitsu, GFk and NPD which are the other agencies that track sales to consumers homes.

Does anyone think this is incorrect?

I've always said that the gap the companies will use as a measure of "sales" is the shipped number. That's why both MS and Sony say they have "sold" so many units. You think MS or Sony will come to VGC to say if they have outsold one or the other?

I do still use VGC numbers, but when the thread is about the shipments... Then we can use the shipments.

It's not incorrect at all, but it's not what the thread is about. If the thread was about VGC numbers, then of course... The gap wouldn't be the smallest it's been as the 360 has dominated for the past few week...

I agree, VGChartz if you think about it, in a sense is almost like a royalty to the gaming community. It provides itself as being a useful tool to try and determine actual "sales" the best you can, but still not an "Official" tool none the less.

And just like you said, MS/Sony won't be reporting VGChartz numbers to determine who is beating who anytime soon.

So to put it simply, determining who is beating who in the mighty Console war, we as a community may use VGChartz, but to the big three, as well as the masses in whole, this is determined by shipped.

Well... ioi himself has claimed that VGC aims (or already has?) to have a  ~10% margin of error Worldwide. They do a damn fine job at what they do too... But while some big companies use VGC (Square-Enix, Guiness World Records, for example), we still aren't at the level of NPD, GFK, Mediacreate AFAIK... We ARE getting there though.

Give it a few years time, and we might start to see the big 3 use VGC sales for the games/consoles. As of right now though, I know for sure that they would rather use there own Shipment numbers... And the do.


true...

but lets be clear.... shipped number DOES NOT equal install base.

a shipped console can be returned.. or sit on a shelf for months.



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Link: Shipment History Since 1995