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BigBoobieHead on 28 July 2010
starcraft said:
wholikeswood said:
starcraft said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Simulacrum said:

Umm..Microsoft's price cut wouldn't effect to Sony at all (well Ps3 maybe 5-10k hw)..It would just boost Xbox 360.


Well said! sad to see some xbox users turn into the usual Ninty users who run around screaming oooh we have great sales this week the competition is the doomzed nowz omgz, funny stuff

anywho good for Sony, they are slowly but surely turning things around

I assume that was directed at me?  I am a user of all three current generation consoles actually.

It is naive to think that the Xbox 360 has no effect on the PS3 and vica versa.  The more sales one has proportionate to the other, the easier it is for that console to secure exclusives in the future, something that is especially critical with their new motion controls.

The PS3/360 install bases are so comparable and will stay that way. Third party exclusives are dead.

As for motion exclusives, we don't know how Move and Kinect are going to perform yet. Regardless, I expect most publishers will aim to cater to both as much as possible, since the install base for a peripheral accessory on either console is never going to be particularly huge on its own. They need to provide to the two platforms combined if they want to ensure profitability.

Unfunded ones of course.

I don't think for a moment that having no inducement from either major company any third party will make a game exclusively for the Xbox 360 or PS3, but a larger proportional userbase brings the cost of such an inducement down.

Additionally, at the tail end of the generation a console with a bigger userbase is more likely to stick around in it's very profitable twilight phase.

Ultimately though, those are reasons Sony and MS are still interested in having the larger userbase, but they are irrelevant to the fact that the two HD consoles are very interchangable.
  • This generation it won't be the console with the largest userbase that stays out longest. It will be the one which:

- Has the best tech to keep it going

- Has the most price cuts left in it

- Is the viable for longest.

Unless of course the manufacturing company pulls it to make way for a new console.

It's about what can keep selling, not what has already sold.

  • Sony and MS want a larger userbase mainly for:

- To increase fanbase for the next gen

- To increase software sales and dev relations.



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Mummelmann on 28 July 2010
Killiana1a said:
Mummelmann said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:

LoL I just realized, too bad for the OP...

If this was "Sony to post Gazillion loss" thread it would have over 100 post by now and brought in a lot of VG$, now look @ this thread about "Sony to post profit" not even reached 50 post ROFL!!!!!!


This is true, there are few things people like more than Sony losing money.

One of those few things is Microsoft losing money along with the whole casual vs. hardcore meme that analysts such as Pachter have fueled since the Wii shattered their prediction of the PS3 dominating this gen.

As for Sony posting profits in all of it's divisions, great job (two thumbs up with a goofy grin style)!

Now if China reversed the ban on console video games, then the profits for Sony would be sky high and we would all be talking about how Sony is dominating the Chinese market.


All true. I still remember how the Wii was going to sell anything from 250 million (absolute minimum) to half a billion according to a couple of members in here once launched in China and India though...



BigBoobieHead on 28 July 2010

Anyway this is great news.

The fud spreading a while back was ridiculous.

- Sony doomed

- Going to downsize big time

- Will Sony quit the PlayStation?

Yet they've came through the toughest period in decades without much loss at all. Heck, all the doomed talk was bull. I mean BP just reported quarterly losses of over $20BN and they're still looking ok.



binary solo on 28 July 2010
Kantor said:
binary solo said:
Kantor said:

Okay, I'll bite.

What's with the thousand rupee note?

Couldn't find an image of a Yen?

I google image searched "Yen". Third result:

Rupee looks better IMO, maybe that's the reason.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 28 July 2010
Kantor said:
binary solo said:
Kantor said:

Okay, I'll bite.

What's with the thousand rupee note?

Couldn't find an image of a Yen?

I google image searched "Yen". Third result:

That note is surely false: it doesn't bear either Iwata's or Miyamoto's face!!!   



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wholikeswood on 28 July 2010
starcraft said:
wholikeswood said:
starcraft said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Simulacrum said:

Umm..Microsoft's price cut wouldn't effect to Sony at all (well Ps3 maybe 5-10k hw)..It would just boost Xbox 360.


Well said! sad to see some xbox users turn into the usual Ninty users who run around screaming oooh we have great sales this week the competition is the doomzed nowz omgz, funny stuff

anywho good for Sony, they are slowly but surely turning things around

I assume that was directed at me?  I am a user of all three current generation consoles actually.

It is naive to think that the Xbox 360 has no effect on the PS3 and vica versa.  The more sales one has proportionate to the other, the easier it is for that console to secure exclusives in the future, something that is especially critical with their new motion controls.

The PS3/360 install bases are so comparable and will stay that way. Third party exclusives are dead.

As for motion exclusives, we don't know how Move and Kinect are going to perform yet. Regardless, I expect most publishers will aim to cater to both as much as possible, since the install base for a peripheral accessory on either console is never going to be particularly huge on its own. They need to provide to the two platforms combined if they want to ensure profitability.

Unfunded ones of course.

I don't think for a moment that having no inducement from either major company any third party will make a game exclusively for the Xbox 360 or PS3, but a larger proportional userbase brings the cost of such an inducement down.

Additionally, at the tail end of the generation a console with a bigger userbase is more likely to stick around in it's very profitable twilight phase.

Ultimately though, those are reasons Sony and MS are still interested in having the larger userbase, but they are irrelevant to the fact that the two HD consoles are very interchangable.

But the thing is - the PS3 and 360 are going to stay neck-and-neck and as such the inducement is not going to come down because neither console is going to substantially pull away.



fallen on 28 July 2010
BigBoobieHead said:

Anyway this is great news.

The fud spreading a while back was ridiculous.

- Sony doomed

- Going to downsize big time

- Will Sony quit the PlayStation?

Yet they've came through the toughest period in decades without much loss at all. Heck, all the doomed talk was bull. I mean BP just reported quarterly losses of over $20BN and they're still looking ok.

Huh? they've probably lost like 6 billion on PS3. A 100m or something in profit hardly vindicates the PS3 just yet, just saying.

 

Also, Gaming doesn't have it's own division in Sony anymore, so just like Microsoft we dont even know what to attribute profit/loss numbers too. For all we know this profit in the "games division" (which no longer exists) could have been from other areas (not that I think it is, just pointing out).

 

Oh and BTW, oil companies are in a league by themselves when it comes to profits lol. I used to say the only company more profitable than Microsoft was Exxon lol (though Apple is catching up fast)



leo-j on 28 July 2010

Believe it or not, I think the PSP GO is a huge money maker for them, even if they only sell like 50k a month. Pure profit, as the PSP go is cheaper to make than the PSP 3000.

PSN is also becoming a likely profit, as PS PLUS is beginning to garner up a lot more attention with the content they are putting out, and PSN game sales are pretty high based on the rating system. PSN sales are pure revenue too.



 

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starcraft on 29 July 2010
wholikeswood said:
starcraft said:
wholikeswood said:
starcraft said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Simulacrum said:

Umm..Microsoft's price cut wouldn't effect to Sony at all (well Ps3 maybe 5-10k hw)..It would just boost Xbox 360.


Well said! sad to see some xbox users turn into the usual Ninty users who run around screaming oooh we have great sales this week the competition is the doomzed nowz omgz, funny stuff

anywho good for Sony, they are slowly but surely turning things around

I assume that was directed at me?  I am a user of all three current generation consoles actually.

It is naive to think that the Xbox 360 has no effect on the PS3 and vica versa.  The more sales one has proportionate to the other, the easier it is for that console to secure exclusives in the future, something that is especially critical with their new motion controls.

The PS3/360 install bases are so comparable and will stay that way. Third party exclusives are dead.

As for motion exclusives, we don't know how Move and Kinect are going to perform yet. Regardless, I expect most publishers will aim to cater to both as much as possible, since the install base for a peripheral accessory on either console is never going to be particularly huge on its own. They need to provide to the two platforms combined if they want to ensure profitability.

Unfunded ones of course.

I don't think for a moment that having no inducement from either major company any third party will make a game exclusively for the Xbox 360 or PS3, but a larger proportional userbase brings the cost of such an inducement down.

Additionally, at the tail end of the generation a console with a bigger userbase is more likely to stick around in it's very profitable twilight phase.

Ultimately though, those are reasons Sony and MS are still interested in having the larger userbase, but they are irrelevant to the fact that the two HD consoles are very interchangable.

But the thing is - the PS3 and 360 are going to stay neck-and-neck and as such the inducement is not going to come down because neither console is going to substantially pull away.

If, and only if, Sony continues to match every move Microsoft makes.

 

And vica versa.



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jarrod on 29 July 2010

Nikkei got it wrong, the Networked Devices Division (which includes SCE) posted a $43 million loss.