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selnor said:
BigBoobieHead said:
selnor said:
Mr Khan said:
selnor said:

ROFL. Reach not only eats Killzone in terms of features and content, but sheer playable scale to. 

I predict Reach will be GOTY on more than 80% of the review sites. 

Killzone 3 better than Reach. Oh wait England won the world cup.


Absolutely impossible. No one game will get across more than 20% of sites, there are far too many different value metrics that will apply to the GotY contenders this year.


Oh come on guys, I was splitting hairs. 

Of course I was exagerating, on purpose.

My point is, Killzone has never been a Halo both in game and sales. KZ2 didnt change that. All of a sudden people think theres an answer to Bungies masterpiece? It's ludicrous. 

Yes the game may be good. But not Halo. Reach looks phenominal. I know that styles can vary, but even so Halo is a game like no other. KZ is similar to alot of FPS's. And always will be. 

Halo cant be touched on what it achieves.

The same way GT pwns Forza?

C'mon Selnor, lets play it fair. You can have one but not the other!

You are right. Fair play bro, your right.

Just so you know though, I never said Forza was a GT killer or matched it etc. 

I referred to physics system and review scores. No KZ game has ever gotten a higher score than any Halo game. But since Forza came on the scene with Forza 1 ( it's direct competitor was GT4 they released same year ) Forza has outperformed GT reviews. Forza 1 beat GT4 review scores. And FM2 and 3 have had no direct competition. 

So it's only sales that GT can be reffered to as the winner. 

Whereas Halo is on every front a winner. It's a proven high scoring heavily played franchise that has increased it's sales with each consecutive game release ( not including expansion and spin off ). KZ started very average. Has been rounded off with a respectable 90 meta ( 89 GR ) and sold pretty well. But to say it's current 14,000 players online vs 223,000 for Halo right now is not a tell tale sign when Halo 3 is 2 years older is pretty misforgiving. 

KZ misses the things that people come back to Halo for time and time again. 

EDIT-

KZ2 last 24 hours   =    Had 17,162 players who logged in.

Halo 3 last 24 hours     =    Had 630, 485 players who logged in.

Killzone 2 has alot less players who log in over an entire month right now than in 24 hours of Halo 3. 

KZ2 last 1 month  =     Had 176, 009 players who logged in.

 

 

This tells you everything. If it doesnt then something is not right.

http://killzone.com/kz/leaderboard_warzone.psml?kz_pageNum=1&kz_sortCol=game_points&kz_sortOrder=des&kz_leaderboardType=monthly&kz_leaderboardCategory=general

 

http://www.bungie.net/

I don't want to get into details, but you can see the similarities between the two sets:

- GT and Halo have much larger fanbases, are more popular, and sell more. This means they have a lot of hardcore fans that say the games define their genre.

- KZ and Forza are less popular, try to rival their competitors, and have a smaller group of hardcore fans that play the games.

Now I know personal preference is everything, so it's perfectly fine to like GT more than Forza and Halo more than KZ etc, but it just jumped out to me that you were basically saying that you think Halo is miles ahead of KZ in terms of content, but thenn I could say GT is miles ahead in terms of content as well.

Anyway, nuff said. And I know you consider it a disadvantage but id much rather have 17,000 people playing my online shooter each day that 600,000:

- Know players better

- You feel a more important part of the game

- Only dedicated players are there, no chaff.

I know theres arguments for the other side, but just saying a smaller player count isnt always bad.



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leatherhat said:
mundus6 said:
leatherhat said:
KylieDog said:

To be honest if any of those games mentioned gets GOTY it speaks volumes for how bad a year its been.  Although I have not played Alan Wake to be fair, so exclude that from the list.


This! Any year where a bunch of mediocre sequels can be considered GOTY is not a good year. Of course any resonible person already knows that SC2 is getting the GOTY.

Medicore sequels? I wouldn't call ME 2, GoW 3, SMG 2 and SC 2 (as you mentioned) mediocre.

They all are, with the possible exception of SC2. The fact that they are considered the best of the year show how far standards have fallen. Not saying that any of them are bad games, but they certaintly aren't up to GOTY snuff.

ME 2 and SMG 2 are the highest rated games in the genre on Metacritc "Mediocre". This year has already been better than whole 2009 and is the best gaming year since 2007 "Mediocre games" i'm sorry, but its just your taste that is bad.



mundus6 said:
leatherhat said:
mundus6 said:
leatherhat said:
KylieDog said:

To be honest if any of those games mentioned gets GOTY it speaks volumes for how bad a year its been.  Although I have not played Alan Wake to be fair, so exclude that from the list.


This! Any year where a bunch of mediocre sequels can be considered GOTY is not a good year. Of course any resonible person already knows that SC2 is getting the GOTY.

Medicore sequels? I wouldn't call ME 2, GoW 3, SMG 2 and SC 2 (as you mentioned) mediocre.

They all are, with the possible exception of SC2. The fact that they are considered the best of the year show how far standards have fallen. Not saying that any of them are bad games, but they certaintly aren't up to GOTY snuff.

ME 2 and SMG 2 are the highest rated games in the genre on Metacritc "Mediocre". This year has already been better than whole 2009 and is the best gaming year since 2007 "Mediocre games" i'm sorry, but its just your taste that is bad.


Nah, its the games



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selnor said:
BigBoobieHead said:
selnor said:
Mr Khan said:
selnor said:

ROFL. Reach not only eats Killzone in terms of features and content, but sheer playable scale to. 

I predict Reach will be GOTY on more than 80% of the review sites. 

Killzone 3 better than Reach. Oh wait England won the world cup.


Absolutely impossible. No one game will get across more than 20% of sites, there are far too many different value metrics that will apply to the GotY contenders this year.


Oh come on guys, I was splitting hairs. 

Of course I was exagerating, on purpose.

My point is, Killzone has never been a Halo both in game and sales. KZ2 didnt change that. All of a sudden people think theres an answer to Bungies masterpiece? It's ludicrous. 

Yes the game may be good. But not Halo. Reach looks phenominal. I know that styles can vary, but even so Halo is a game like no other. KZ is similar to alot of FPS's. And always will be. 

Halo cant be touched on what it achieves.

The same way GT pwns Forza?

C'mon Selnor, lets play it fair. You can have one but not the other!

You are right. Fair play bro, your right.

Just so you know though, I never said Forza was a GT killer or matched it etc. 

I referred to physics system and review scores. No KZ game has ever gotten a higher score than any Halo game. But since Forza came on the scene with Forza 1 ( it's direct competitor was GT4 they released same year ) Forza has outperformed GT reviews. Forza 1 beat GT4 review scores. And FM2 and 3 have had no direct competition. 

So it's only sales that GT can be reffered to as the winner. 

Whereas Halo is on every front a winner. It's a proven high scoring heavily played franchise that has increased it's sales with each consecutive game release ( not including expansion and spin off ). KZ started very average. Has been rounded off with a respectable 90 meta ( 89 GR ) and sold pretty well. But to say it's current 14,000 players online vs 223,000 for Halo right now is not a tell tale sign when Halo 3 is 2 years older is pretty misforgiving. 

KZ misses the things that people come back to Halo for time and time again. 

EDIT-

KZ2 last 24 hours   =    Had 17,162 players who logged in.

Halo 3 last 24 hours     =    Had 630, 485 players who logged in.

Killzone 2 has alot less players who log in over an entire month right now than in 24 hours of Halo 3. 

KZ2 last 1 month  =     Had 176, 009 players who logged in.

 

 

This tells you everything. If it doesnt then something is not right.

http://killzone.com/kz/leaderboard_warzone.psml?kz_pageNum=1&kz_sortCol=game_points&kz_sortOrder=des&kz_leaderboardType=monthly&kz_leaderboardCategory=general

 

http://www.bungie.net/

WTF @ THE BOLDED........

1. Killzone hasn't outscored ANY halo? KZ2 got way higher score than ODST.

2.WTF are this rounded Bullshit? KZ2 is @ 91 and 90 in meta and GR so GTFO out of here with your rounding, going by this logic HALO3 and KZ2 score the same if your round them to the nearest.

(HALO3=94 rounded=90 / KZ2=91 rounded=90)

you still want to play this rounding crap?

3.GT5 is only sales winner? ROFL!!!! funny because a few post back you want ppl to just agree that KZ2  doesn't touch halo because of sheer content or whatever else even tho they both score over 90 yet you can't bring your self to accept the same for FORZA and GT? GT5 has content,sales,graphics over FORZA so to borrow a phrase from you

"FORZA WILL NEVER BE GRAN TURISMO."



this is shane being a 360 fanboy. even the devs were laughing at his dumb ass at the 6 minute mark http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-08-tekken-6/42386?type=flv&fbid=9SWLdzJC5Bs



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Someone says something bad about Halo and the internet explodes. Despite the guys history, his had more time with the game than anyone on this site has and the general consensus from multiplatform gaming podcast is that everything that's been shown is kinda meh (a lot more of them are excited for Gears than they are for Halo). I'm not saying that their right, but I don't see anyone posting articles based on things that Sarcastic Gamer, Giant Bomb and 1UP have said.

People comparing Halo and Killzone should just stop, Killzone will never be as big as Halo and it doesn't need to be. Sales aren't an indication of quality, it's an indication of awareness and I don't enjoy my games based on how many people are circle jerking each other while yelling that I'm a 'dipshit' over their mics.

Halo is fantastic for Halo players and now that Killzone has found it's audience, its going to be fantastic for that audience as well.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

XxXProphecyXxX said:
selnor said:
BigBoobieHead said:
selnor said:
Mr Khan said:
selnor said:

ROFL. Reach not only eats Killzone in terms of features and content, but sheer playable scale to. 

I predict Reach will be GOTY on more than 80% of the review sites. 

Killzone 3 better than Reach. Oh wait England won the world cup.


Absolutely impossible. No one game will get across more than 20% of sites, there are far too many different value metrics that will apply to the GotY contenders this year.


Oh come on guys, I was splitting hairs. 

Of course I was exagerating, on purpose.

My point is, Killzone has never been a Halo both in game and sales. KZ2 didnt change that. All of a sudden people think theres an answer to Bungies masterpiece? It's ludicrous. 

Yes the game may be good. But not Halo. Reach looks phenominal. I know that styles can vary, but even so Halo is a game like no other. KZ is similar to alot of FPS's. And always will be. 

Halo cant be touched on what it achieves.

The same way GT pwns Forza?

C'mon Selnor, lets play it fair. You can have one but not the other!

You are right. Fair play bro, your right.

Just so you know though, I never said Forza was a GT killer or matched it etc. 

I referred to physics system and review scores. No KZ game has ever gotten a higher score than any Halo game. But since Forza came on the scene with Forza 1 ( it's direct competitor was GT4 they released same year ) Forza has outperformed GT reviews. Forza 1 beat GT4 review scores. And FM2 and 3 have had no direct competition. 

So it's only sales that GT can be reffered to as the winner. 

Whereas Halo is on every front a winner. It's a proven high scoring heavily played franchise that has increased it's sales with each consecutive game release ( not including expansion and spin off ). KZ started very average. Has been rounded off with a respectable 90 meta ( 89 GR ) and sold pretty well. But to say it's current 14,000 players online vs 223,000 for Halo right now is not a tell tale sign when Halo 3 is 2 years older is pretty misforgiving. 

KZ misses the things that people come back to Halo for time and time again. 

EDIT-

KZ2 last 24 hours   =    Had 17,162 players who logged in.

Halo 3 last 24 hours     =    Had 630, 485 players who logged in.

Killzone 2 has alot less players who log in over an entire month right now than in 24 hours of Halo 3. 

KZ2 last 1 month  =     Had 176, 009 players who logged in.

 

 

This tells you everything. If it doesnt then something is not right.

http://killzone.com/kz/leaderboard_warzone.psml?kz_pageNum=1&kz_sortCol=game_points&kz_sortOrder=des&kz_leaderboardType=monthly&kz_leaderboardCategory=general

 

http://www.bungie.net/

WTF @ THE BOLDED........

1. Killzone hasn't outscored ANY halo? KZ2 got way higher score than ODST.

2.WTF are this rounded Bullshit? KZ2 is @ 91 and 90 in meta and GR so GTFO out of here with your rounding, going by this logic HALO3 and KZ2 score the same if your round them to the nearest.

(HALO3=94 rounded=90 / KZ2=91 rounded=90)

you still want to play this rounding crap?

3.GT5 is only sales winner? ROFL!!!! funny because a few post back you want ppl to just agree that KZ2  doesn't touch halo because of sheer content or whatever else even tho they both score over 90 yet you can't bring your self to accept the same for FORZA and GT? GT5 has content,sales,graphics over FORZA so to borrow a phrase from you

"FORZA WILL NEVER BE GRAN TURISMO."

1. Halo 3 ODST is an expansion, so its nothing to brag about i can saying Forza 3 is better than GT 5:P. Would that mean much? No cause GT5:P is ODST for GT its just a expansion or GT case a demo. Not to mention Halo 3 ODST still had 4 player co-op, 2 play split screen online via firefight, 4 player firefight, 6 hour story mode, skulls, achivements, ranking system, all halo 3 DLC. More stuff do in expansion made in 11 months than a full fledge game that took 5 years to make. Pretty sad if you ask me.

2.How do you round one game? Are you a idoit? If you averaging the metacrtic score with the gameranking score. Halo 3 is still higher and your still wrong. Halo 3 GR is 93.54 and  meta is 94. So if you add both of them up and divide them by two its still higer than 90 -_- why do you not blindly defend killzone and all things ps3 and you migh actually win a argument.

Also If i rounded of killzone 1, killzone 2, killzone liberation its only 79% so double fail.

3. Want people to agree?  Agree to what? Halo does have more features than killzone. Killzone donst even have as many feautes as a standard FPS let alone halo. And i already proven you wrong with Halo 3 having the same overall score as killzone so the rest was invaild. Also Forza 3 as of right now since oct. the best racing game on the market and having the highest rating for any racing game this gen and i am pretty sure it won alot or racing game awards too. So you cant blame them to compare Forza to GT. Killzone on the other hand didnt win any awards or was considered the best of anything. So comparing it to halo is just idoitic.





MassiveTroll said:

Killzone on the other hand didnt win any awards or was considered the best of anything. So comparing it to halo is just idoitic.

Killzone 2 won Best PS3 Shooter from IGN. It won Best Competitive Multiplayer, Best Sound Design, Most Improved Sequel and Best Shooter from GameSpot editor's choice. It won Best Graphics in the G-Phoria 2009 Awards. It also took in Game of the Year from Gamereactor.

The soundtrack also won gaming's first Ivor Novello Award.

 

 

Yeah, your comments also qualify as massive fail, like you so love to say.



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Killzone on the other hand didnt win any awards or was considered the best of anything. So comparing it to halo is just idoitic.




I don't really care about the little thing you and Prophecy have going on, but I thought I'd be annoying and just list a few awards and stuff Killzone 2 received:

Technical Innovation in AI and best AI in a AAA Game

http://aigamedev.com/open/editorial/2009-awards-results/

The Roses Design Awards - The Best Use of Animation

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/02/killzone-2-cg-intro-wins-roses-design-awards/

The 55th Annual Ivor Novello Award for Best Original Video Game Score

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/05/21/killzone-2-wins-ivor-novello-award

It also won some other stuff, but I can't be bothered looking. As for Killzone 2 not being the best at anything, what exactly is Halo 3 the best at? You must be including the PC into this, because from the top of my head I can already claim that Killzone 2 is the most technically impressive FPS on consoles.



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Doobie_wop said:

Killzone on the other hand didnt win any awards or was considered the best of anything. So comparing it to halo is just idoitic.




I don't really care about the little thing you and Prophecy have going on, but I thought I'd be annoying and just list a few awards and stuff Killzone 2 received:

Technical Innovation in AI and best AI in a AAA Game

http://aigamedev.com/open/editorial/2009-awards-results/

The Roses Design Awards - The Best Use of Animation

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/02/killzone-2-cg-intro-wins-roses-design-awards/

The 55th Annual Ivor Novello Award for Best Original Video Game Score

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/05/21/killzone-2-wins-ivor-novello-award

It also won some other stuff, but I can't be bothered looking. As for Killzone 2 not being the best at anything, what exactly is Halo 3 the best at? You must be including the PC into this, because from the top of my head I can already claim that Killzone 2 is the most technically impressive FPS on consoles.

Careful, someone will bring up the scale of Halo games and the numbers of players it has going on in a single map as proof that the engine it's using is more capable than Killzone 2's or anything else on consoles.  ¬_¬

Conveniently forgetting anything about MAG and its 256 players games.



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