I haven't seen the video but your poitnhere is extremely wrong. Have you not noticed the huge flood of "is this a good PC" threads in the PC forum?

I am not wishing shio be banned, just saying that shio is more constructive on a videogame forum when he is banned, than when posting stuff like this.

In regards to my last post, I was observing how the guy apparently has a need to buy console games, because they have exclusives he can't get.  He talked about a great value you get with PC gaming.  As I see it, PC gaming isn't sufficient to meet his gaming needs, or why would he be buying console games?

I will say the real question is: Which platform is sufficient to meet the needs of a gamer.  If someone argues a platform is that much better, then why would they feel the need to go elsewhere?  Myself, if you see my collection, you see PC gaming fits into a very narrow niche of games I have for it.  These are strategy games for the most part.  I would say I need a PC for those.  As far as anything else?  Not really.  I think OnLive is interesting.  But, beyond that, consoles get them.

You make an absolutely horrible generalization. I have far worse than a 9-5 job with college classes, have managed to see half the world, have a stable relationship, and go out and party thursday-sat night from 9 to 5, pm to am of course. Yet I still had the spare time to find parts for my new PC (2 hours), build it (4.5 hours from packaged box to booted Windows 7), and put all the little things I need on it in 30 minutes (www.ninite.com REALLY shortedned that time, I'll admit).

I also have yet to have a problem with running ANYTHING other than EFT which isn't even a game but a tool for EVE and everything else had been double click and voila.

As for jsut playing locally and having fun, there comes in the Wii. I don't have to worry about hardware failure, updates, installs, lack of local multiplayer games, or any of that crap. Put the disc in and play it and have fun. The other 2 consoles suffer from all of that but lack the open system, the cheap and superior online, the cheap games, the free mods (FAR FAR FAR better than ANY DLC ever released for a game), or the graphics of the PC.

tl;dr: HD consoles are smack dab in the middle of the ease of use and awesome fun local multiplayer of consoles, and the extreme openness and power of PCs with companies which try to milk every cent out of their consumers. They have neither of the benefits and all of the downfalls of each.

The first paragraph you make it sound like games are impossibly expensive while in reality you can buy a new console each month at this period of time ,you see consoles are now 299$ (the most expensive ones) , and what do you get on your payroll ? the least you can get is 1100$ ! , and thats the LEAST , so why complain about games being too expensive?

the second part make it sound like PC gaming is rocket science. and for your info CS servers are always up and take about 5 minutes max to start a game even with my ping.

I didn't mean to call people with PC knowledge nerds...but what you described above (putting PC together in 4 hours) does put you in a distinct category of...PC fanatic. There are millions of people out there that go to stores like Best buy every day to buy a PC, and ask the sales associate if the PC they are buying is good for gaming...to which the sales associate replies "ofcourse it is, look it has integrated graphics. Amazing for gaming!".  For these people (80% of the population) consoles are a better choice for gaming by far.

Us geeks know that PC gaming is better but only if you are willing to take full advantage of it but this openness and freedom PCs provide.  I've been a Pc gamer since 1995 and have built quite a few PCs myself. There were times where I found what PCs offer much more appealing. But times have changed for me, and most of my freinds are in the same boat...could be age, time constraints...who knows.

Also, while your Wii argument is valid, there really isn't a way to connect with freinds on that system. Infact the only reason I am still a gamer is because I am able to quickly text my freinds with "Halo 3 in 5 mins?"... log on to 360, play for 45 mins and then go do something else.

For the geek in me, I still have a PC which I use for cool things like 3D gaming and visual drooling (PC metro 2033 FTW) but for the quick social fun with friends (online or offline), 360 and PS3 do beat PC by a wide margin...even for a former PC geek like me in this day and age.

Shio really needs to stop posting these threads. I rarely see any threads dissing PC gaming... Just his anti console rants.

The first paragraph is a response to the video. The video talks for 5 minutes how PC "game packs" are cheaper. All I am saying is that for people taht aren't in financial rut, this means very little.

The second paragraph is there to explain that getting a game to run on consoles takes less time than it does on PC. When you sometimes have an hour to to play in a day, and you have a brand new 2 disc RPG you want to start...learning that there is no controller support after 30 minutes of installing the PPc game can be pretty frustrating.

You dont NEED a controller! especially in RPGs.

See but you completely missed my point, you got both of my individual points down, but not to overarching one. Me and my friends go "UT in 5 mins" and we go, however then halfway through, before this was released on Steam of course, we'd go "Alien Swarm?" and voila, a free amazing mod. The whole "XXXX in 5 mins" is not exclusive just to the HD consoles, it works just fine on the PC too, and better. Also I have never had a problem joining a friend in game probably since the times of Quake 2. Oh yeah, also we all have better ping.

As for socially, the Wii is far better than either console in local, for online the PC is far better than either console and the HD consoles are left in the middle. You can argue that yes you can have local multiplayer fun on the HD consoles faster than a PC, I mean hell there is no local multiplayer unless we are talking Civ or HOMM. But if you are looking for local fun get a Wii since that is far far better. As for online, I am sorry, but the online on the consoles is just pathetic. Restricted in every sense of the word, shit for ping, almost no mods, you get the idea.

you know guys its really not that hard to build a pc....i told this girl at work who was looking for a new computer that....she looked at me like i was crazy. then i actually helped her build her own computer. i mean really after getting the parts(figuring out what you need is prob the toughest for me at least since i know shit about computers lol ) its just a matter of following instructions. 

In my humble opinion..

PC Pros vs Consoles

- Cheaper games
- Better communities
- Better communications
- Bigger game library
- Bigger support for downloadable full scale games
- Everything in the same place, T3H INT3RN3TZ!
- Free DLCs
- Multiplayer 
- Competitive gaming
- Controller support
- Performance settings
- No casual motion controller hype ;)

PC Cons  vs Consoles

- Price
- Alot of good Console Exclusives out there
- Desk chair gaming