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dtewi on 22 July 2010
Old Rock said:
dtewi said:
trestres said:
dtewi said:
Slimebeast said:

I agree with trestres. I think that is a much more logically satisfying explanation for our existence than to accept that our universe came out of nothing by itself.


It wasn't from nothing!

I've said this 3 times now.
So who or what made that matter?

Didn't I say I don't know the source?

I can understand your reasoning and it makes some sense, but is that your reasoning for God? The fact that we can't prove matter's source?

That's the thing though. Unless we know the source of matter I interpret it as matter coming from God. Think of it as a starting point. We cannot prove or disprove it but at least we have a lead to go to. Even if God isn't what we all assume to be, whether God is an omniscient being or everything in the universe, we can use this interpretation to eventually lead us to the truth.


There are many things that science does not know the answer to. These are just some of the things.

Neither of us can be sure that we're right in regards to the source of these things. It's a completely moot point to argue.



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trestres on 22 July 2010
dtewi said:
trestres said:
dtewi said:
Slimebeast said:

I agree with trestres. I think that is a much more logically satisfying explanation for our existence than to accept that our universe came out of nothing by itself.


It wasn't from nothing!

I've said this 3 times now.


So who or what made that matter?

Didn't I say I don't know the source?

I can understand your reasoning and it makes some sense, but is that your reasoning for God? The fact that we can't prove matter's source?


Not only matter, but the existance of anything. You can reason by yourself that your existance is not purely material, but espiritual as well. Although here I will be facing off some positivists. But we humans, can reason the existence of God and that we are espiritual beings (soul and body).



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Smidlee on 22 July 2010

Even scientist claims 90% of the universe is not made up of matter. So the universe is made up 90% of nothing and 10 % of something then what is more real something or nothing?  What if everything is actually made of nothing? What exactly is this stuff we call matter? And does it really matter?

 Ever notice the more scientist learns the more wacky their theories becomes.



Old Rock on 22 July 2010
dtewi said:
Old Rock said:
dtewi said:
trestres said:
dtewi said:
Slimebeast said:

I agree with trestres. I think that is a much more logically satisfying explanation for our existence than to accept that our universe came out of nothing by itself.


It wasn't from nothing!

I've said this 3 times now.
So who or what made that matter?

Didn't I say I don't know the source?

I can understand your reasoning and it makes some sense, but is that your reasoning for God? The fact that we can't prove matter's source?

That's the thing though. Unless we know the source of matter I interpret it as matter coming from God. Think of it as a starting point. We cannot prove or disprove it but at least we have a lead to go to. Even if God isn't what we all assume to be, whether God is an omniscient being or everything in the universe, we can use this interpretation to eventually lead us to the truth.


There are many things that science does not know the answer to. These are just some of the things.

Neither of us can be sure that we're right in regards to the source of these things. It's a completely moot point to argue.

True. Like in Schrödinger's cat box, unless we directly look inside two truths can exist at the same time. I think that in itself is good for science. It gives us a better motivation to find the one truth inside that box.
For me though, as long as I haven't seen what's inside the box, I will continue to believe that those two truths coexist at the same time.



 

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dharh on 22 July 2010
trestres said:
dtewi said:
trestres said:
So who or what made that matter?

Didn't I say I don't know the source?

I can understand your reasoning and it makes some sense, but is that your reasoning for God? The fact that we can't prove matter's source?


Not only matter, but the existance of anything. You can reason by yourself that your existance is not purely material, but espiritual as well. Although here I will be facing off some positivists. But we humans, can reason the existence of God and that we are espiritual beings (soul matter).

There are only two theoretical states. One in which nothing exists and one where existence exists. However, logically the state where nothing exists is impossible. You can't have a point in which nothing exists and then suddenly something exists. This includes God. Some existence had to always exist. Existence exists, it has always been so and will always be so. It is the fundamental axiom of all things.

It matters little whether the thing that has always existed is some form of God or a universe or both. You cannot even prove which is which.

I don't even want to touch on the concept that we can make a sound logical argument that we have souls.



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trestres on 22 July 2010
Smidlee said:

Even scientist claims 90% of the universe is not made up of matter. So the universe is made up 90% of nothing and 10 % of something then what is more real something or nothing?  What if everything is actually made of nothing? What exactly is this stuff we can matter? And does it really matter?


There's time in the universe. That "nothing" you claim is going through time and it's in space. It's not as simple as you believe. Universe is space plus time.



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trestres on 22 July 2010
dharh said:
trestres said:
dtewi said:
trestres said:
So who or what made that matter?

Didn't I say I don't know the source?

I can understand your reasoning and it makes some sense, but is that your reasoning for God? The fact that we can't prove matter's source?


Not only matter, but the existance of anything. You can reason by yourself that your existance is not purely material, but espiritual as well. Although here I will be facing off some positivists. But we humans, can reason the existence of God and that we are espiritual beings (soul matter).

There are only two theoretical states. One in which nothing exists and one where existence exists. However, logically the state where nothing exists is impossible. You can't have a point in which nothing exists and then suddenly something exists. This includes God. Someone had to always exist. Existence exists, it has always been so and will always be so. It is the fundamental axiom of all things.

It matters little whether the thing that has always existed is some form of God or a universe or both. You cannot even prove which is which.

I don't even want to touch on the concept that we can make a sound logical argument that we have souls.


God is the existence itself.



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Smidlee on 22 July 2010
trestres said:
Smidlee said:

Even scientist claims 90% of the universe is not made up of matter. So the universe is made up 90% of nothing and 10 % of something then what is more real something or nothing?  What if everything is actually made of nothing? What exactly is this stuff we can matter? And does it really matter?


There's time in the universe. That "nothing" you claim is going through time and it's in space. It's not as simple as you believe. Universe is space plus time.

 Exactly what is  space? Is space made out of nothing also? I would think space has to be something yet it seems to be made of nothing.



trestres on 22 July 2010
Smidlee said:
trestres said:
Smidlee said:

Even scientist claims 90% of the universe is not made up of matter. So the universe is made up 90% of nothing and 10 % of something then what is more real something or nothing?  What if everything is actually made of nothing? What exactly is this stuff we can matter? And does it really matter?


There's time in the universe. That "nothing" you claim is going through time and it's in space. It's not as simple as you believe. Universe is space plus time.

 Exactly what is  space? Is space made out of nothing also? I would think space has to something yet it seems to be made of nothing.

Space confines you to the three dimensional universe. Time is the "fourth" dimension. These limits are believed by science to have started with the big bang. Outside that there are no dimensions.



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dtewi on 22 July 2010
trestres said:
Smidlee said:
trestres said:
Smidlee said:

Even scientist claims 90% of the universe is not made up of matter. So the universe is made up 90% of nothing and 10 % of something then what is more real something or nothing?  What if everything is actually made of nothing? What exactly is this stuff we can matter? And does it really matter?


There's time in the universe. That "nothing" you claim is going through time and it's in space. It's not as simple as you believe. Universe is space plus time.

 Exactly what is  space? Is space made out of nothing also? I would think space has to something yet it seems to be made of nothing.

Space confines you to the three dimensional universe. Time is the "fourth" dimension. These limits are believed by science to have started with the big bang. Outside that there are no dimensions.

Time isn't the fourth dimension.

Dimensions are spatial and time is not spatial.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you