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GuyDuke on 21 July 2010

Let's ignore this and play our great games, waiting for a certain Nintendo 3DS that will completely rape this pointless article.



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saicho on 22 July 2010
KylieDog said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Boutros said:
KylieDog said:
RolStoppable said:

If you spit on New Super Mario Bros. Wii and at the same time demand the old Nintendo to come back, then that's the biggest contradiction you can possibly make.


I remember the old Nintendo pushing games forward in great new ways, I mean the games, not controllers (power glove ftw!).  Games like the original SMB, SMB3, LoZ, Metroid, then later on advancing them again going 3D like Mario 64 and OoT.  This gen we got Zeldas -still- copying OoT with only minor changes, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 is just Mario 64 with changing gravity, NSMB Wii has gone back even further than the N64 and is copying SNES games, Donkey Kong has gone back to SNES and so forth.

 

When people say they want the old Nintendo they don't mean clones of old Nintendo games, they mean they want them making something new.

Yeah that's mostly what I mean myself.


Most over looked new IP of the gen it seems  

Add in Excite Truck, Big Brain, Endless Ocean, Disaster DoC, Captain Rainbow, Dynamic Slash, Xenoblade, and The Last Story... yep no new IPs that Nintendo has brought or going to bring  

Nintendo never made many "game changers" per generation in the old days, most of the time just evolving older existing IPs (ala OoT and Mario 64) people just have rose tinted glasses of the past, the same tactics used today were used in the past, every so often you got a new IP sometimes that new IP had really unique game play, most of the time they took an old IP and improved it so much that people in the industry flat out copied them... and that's happening now... so what's different?

 

NOT NEW IPs.   New types of game/game design.  Wii Sports is minigames that existed long before the Wii, we played those long ago.  Knowledge quizes and such existed, Disaster is just a bunch of old genres bunched together etc etc.

 

Swinging a wii mote instead of pressing a button is not some new for a games content, and that is what nintendo are lacking this gen.  A lot of us do not want a new way to do something old on screen, we want something new on screen.

Exactly what games on consoles this gen fit your standard of new game design/content?



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

Metallicube on 22 July 2010

This guy is living  proof that no matter what Nintendo does, some people out there will never be happy.



Viper1 on 22 July 2010

I read an article like this and it makes me go back and read my own articles and then wonder what they hell is wrong with these people?

I don't get it.  Do they do it for the hits or can they truly be that ignorant about the very thing they claim to be so passionate about?



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Metallicube on 22 July 2010

For awhile I've been perplexed by the amount of hate the Wii gets, and I've since realized that the amount of love something gets is usually proportional to the amount of hate it gets. If something is so widely and passionately loved by many, it is also widely and passionately hated by many as well. I know this as both a Nintendo fan and a Cubs fan. Wii has sold record amounts of hardware, which means that the inevitable counter culture attitude towards it will follow.

Love and hate are simply two sides of the same coin, they are both rooted in great attention and invoke strong emotion. Indifference is the real indicator that something is wrong. If a Nintendo console (or most anything for that matter) recieves indifference, sort of like the Gamecube, that's when they are probably in trouble.



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Viper1 on 22 July 2010

The concept is quite true but the unfortuante bit is the majority of the hate side seem to be the people with access to publishing tools and a loud mouth.



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Siko1989 on 22 July 2010

man these wii hate articals are repetitive as hell .. if i put a dollar in the jar for everytime someone says the wii has only a few good games i will be rich by now lol




c0rd on 22 July 2010
vlad321 said:
c0rd said:

As for the big whine in the OP, I question whether they know what "The Old Nintendo" is really about. It seems to me like the people who favor HD consoles are more fans of PC games than anything, with all the attention on graphics, story and such, and very little attention on local multiplayer, arcade style fun.

Old video game consoles, or "The Old Nintendo" was always focused on the latter. The NES games barely had any story, and had poor graphics compared to PC games. Nintendo did slowly drift off with the SNES and N64... with the GC way out there, being Nintendo's worst console by far (though largely because Rare was at its worst).

So I'm not sure how the console isn't associated with the mutual enjoyment of people who liked the old games (particularly NES, or arcade games), as it is easily the console with the strongest local multiplayer lineup on the market. People like our gran, our nieces, or other non-gamers? They loved the NES. It had games like Tetris, Duck-Hunt, and Pac-Man on it.

Remember, the Wii is not even 4 years old. Since the Wii is most comparable to the NES, just remember what the NES looked like at the same age - missing some of the most prolific games from the system, like Mega Man 2 and SMB3, FF and DQ...

You are actually absolutely wrong. PC fans abhor the HD consoles since they don't offer nothing more than mostly half-assed PC experiences. Meanwhile the Wii offers something that is not only far better on the PC, but is also neigh impossible on the PC.

What I meant was fans of HD console games have tastes more in line with PC gamers. I didn't mean PC gamers of today like the HD consoles (there's a difference), though most of them are similar, really. Even if you think the games are watered down versions of PC games, they're still PC games.


@Nintari: Can you name a company coming with IP's that rival Mario, Zelda, or Metroid? Like someone said earlier, even the most revered companies (Blizzard) have stopped making new IP's of this level long ago.



ImJustBayuum on 22 July 2010

I kinda actually have to agree. But its all due to with strategy. For majority of the history of the gaming industry, Nintendo has always taken a blue ocean strategy. A blue ocean captures/creates a new market by indentifying new factors to compete on in contrast to a red ocean where it competes on existing factors. Initially where most games were focus on violence, nintendo created arcadie family style games thus creating a new market which they dominate as a result of their strategy. And today where the competition are focused on traditional gaming, Nintendo created motion based games and thus they capture a new market which enables them to dominate. Nintendo keeps shifting their focus, so I dont blame their frustration.

Blue Ocean Strategy



Antabus on 22 July 2010
Siko1989 said:

man these wii hate articals are repetitive as hell .. if i put a dollar in the jar for everytime someone says the wii has only a few good games i will be rich by now lol

Yeah, all the people thinking that must be wrong about their opinion. Goddamn how ignorant people can be for not liking the same games as I do!